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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:00 AM

Torture prosecutions finally begin in the U.S.

The Bush DOJ is actually demanding a 147 year sentence for a Liberian political official who ordered torture inside Liberia.

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Thursday, January 1, 2009 05:47 PM

mikeinportc

Why not? The Greenwaldbot cranks out the merest variations of the same column day after day.

Friday, January 2, 2009 07:35 AM

limiting factor writes:

Quote from the manual: "The purpose of all coercive techniques us to induce psychological regression in the subject by engaging a superior outside force to bear on his will to resist. Regression is basically a loss of autonomy, a reversion to an earlier behavioral level. As the subject regresses, his learned personality traits fall away in reverse chronological order. He begins to lose the capacity to carry out the highest creative activities, to deal with complex situations, to cope with stressful interpersonal relationships, or to cope with repeated frustrations."

Or, as Winston Smith found, "they could get inside you" -- by peeling away, layer by layer, everything that makes you "you".

Friday, January 2, 2009 07:51 AM

The answer

fawltylogic wrote, way the hell back on page 10:

It is becoming increasingly frustrating to read Greenwald's columns. [...] What will it take to have justice served?

People have been asking Glenn this for months, possibly years, but he never answers. I'm not a mind-reader, but I sometimes think that silence is because he doesn't want to advocate the course of action doubledave27 called for on page 7 as the only course left to us:

Revolution against Democrats who plotted with Bush to torture and murder on a planet wide scale. Revolution against Republicans who view this country as nothing more than their own personal piggybank to be raided when their friends lose all their money. We kid ourselves that any politician has the interests of the population at heart instead of their own self enrichment. Real change only comes on the tongs of pitchforks and the flames of torches. Theses political criminals must be driven from our existance. They will never go willingly. We must carry them out. If we do not, we will end up even more enslaved than we are now.

And sometimes, I fear even that wouldn't do any good, that the necessary revolution would be co-opted by the people who should be its targets, who've spent nearly my entire lifetime persuading the American people to "kill [their] physician and the fee bestow upon the foul disease." But, until the election of President Obama, I was certain we were past the point where anything else would work. As it is, I still have my doubts.

"I want to sweep the Halls of Arrogance, sweep the walls of the excrement of these baboons.

But I respect and prize the covenant -- I respect the process, I respect the rules.

When will we find a chord as resonant as to shake the sheets and make us move?"

-- Ted Leo

Friday, January 2, 2009 08:08 AM

Ché Pasa

We need us some tumbrils.

Hauling the malefactors up to the Capitol steps is necessary, and the more dramatic, the better.

I've been saying that in the comfort of my own home for months. (Well, not all of it, but the word "tumbrils" figures heavily. So does the phrase "having their lying tongues torn out on live TV by eagles made of lightning which are on fire", or "burning lightning eagles" for short.)

Friday, January 2, 2009 08:26 AM

Can't get to heaven on rollerskates, can't take a taxicab to...

timbuktom asks Duckfloss:

Do you remember that guy who worked for Nixon, who held his palm over a candle to prove how devoted he was? (Now he is a whacko right-wing radio celebrity. He has a thick mustache. I have forgotten his name.)

G. Gordon "Headshots for federal agents!" Liddy.

Friday, January 2, 2009 08:40 AM

Sneaky, pete b.

We have trials precisely because there are absolutes - but we don't know the facts in a particular case until evidence is presented to a jury, who decide which of multiple (perhaps contradictory) versions of events is the true set of facts. They then compare that set of facts against the standard of the law (an absolute) to decide if the law has been broken.

There are blisters on my tongue now from where you took the words right out of my mouth. Thought you ought to know. (-8

So here again: you say that we "have trials for accused persons" - is that an absolute? If you were accused of a crime, would you be willing to consider the proposition that "VVrP's alleged crime is so heinous that there is no need for a trial - he should be punished immediately"? If not, why not? Is it because you consider your right to a trial an absolute?

If VVVVVrp answered the earlier versions of that question, I missed it same as you did. Somehow, I doubt he'll answer this version either.

Friday, January 2, 2009 01:16 PM

HYP! HYP! HYPOCRITES!!!!!

AH YES, "WELL, DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO!"

IS THE HYPOCRITICAL CREDO OF bushies LIKE john yoo!!!!!

mukasey, gonzales, addington, yoo AND THEIR TORTURING ILK,

AND THEIR MSM TOADIES LIKE ruth marcus WHO AMERICA DOTH BILK!!!!!

THEY SHOULD ALL BE THROWN INTO A BOILING CAULDRON OF GLUE, HOO HOO HOO HOO!!!!!

HAH!!!!!

(^0^)V VENGEANCE UPON THE IN-justice dept. of bushCo!!!!!

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