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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 12:00 AM

Torture prosecutions finally begin in the U.S.

The Bush DOJ is actually demanding a 147 year sentence for a Liberian political official who ordered torture inside Liberia.

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Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:25 PM

@Vox Vocis res Publica

The point, I think, is that there aren't two REASONABLE sides to every dispute. To many disputes there may be, but certainly not to EVERY dispute.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:25 PM

@Kitt

That was sarcasm.....Happy New Year.

vv

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:26 PM

John Birch Society Skewers Ruth Marcus Too

I ran across an article critical of the media's response to the Bush administration's crimes, from of all places, the John Birch Society. I just posted it in the comments section of the Ruth Marcus article that Glenn referenced in this post. They too single out Ms. Marcus for her writing. I guess now Ms. Marcus won't be able to pretend that only those on the left care about this issue.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:28 PM

Link to Birch Society Article

Ooops...I forgot to post a link to the Birch Society article.

Mainstream Media’s Moral Meltdown

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/4311

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:44 PM

Vox Vocis

@Kitt

That was sarcasm....

-- Vox Vocis res Publica

No it wasn't. You proposed the question about stop lights. I quoted your proposal. My question was as completely reasonable and as sincere as it could be. If you can answer that question go ahead. If not, don't. But, as I said, it was a completely reasonable question.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:50 PM

pmorlan

The Birch Society Article is surprisingly spot on. I find that to be encouraging.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 05:53 PM

re John Birch Society

The JBS has been against the war in Iraq from the outset, as well as against the Patriot Act, torture, etc., etc. They may be wacky about some stuff, but they've been very righteous on these issues. Hard to imagine a world in which Jane Hamsher agrees with John Birch Soc., but there you have it -- strange bedfellows, indeed.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 06:06 PM

Me Too Kitt

pmorlan

The Birch Society Article is surprisingly spot on. I find that to be encouraging.

-- Kitt

Kitt - I was encouraged as well. I'm really sick of people like Ruth Marcus trying to downplay the outcry in this country about holding the Bush administration war criminals accountable by constantly pretending that it's only the "left" who cares about this issue so everyone else should ignore it. I make it a point whenever I can to post links to as many right leaning articles critical of the Bush torture regime as I can just so that people know that it's not a political issue reserved for lefties. I feel when you do this it's not as easy for them to fool people who might not be up to speed on this issue. I hope others will start doing this or continue doing it if they are already doing so. I think it makes a real difference.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 06:11 PM

Thanks Svensker

The JBS has been against the war in Iraq from the outset, as well as against the Patriot Act, torture, etc., etc. They may be wacky about some stuff, but they've been very righteous on these issues. Hard to imagine a world in which Jane Hamsher agrees with John Birch Soc., but there you have it -- strange bedfellows, indeed.

-- Svensker

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Hi Svensker...I didn't know this about them until I ran across this article today. Evidently I missed this if it was posted on Firedoglake but I'm not surprised that Jane found out about it before I did!

I'd love to see a list of all of the people on the right and in the center that have written pieces critical of the Bush war criminals. I'm familiar with Bruce Fein, the Cato Institute and a few others but I'd really like to see more of them.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 06:16 PM

Ah, reasonable debates, indeed

For example, the one about whether an ancient creation myth should be given equal weight to a scientific theory. Some things are truly idiotic and should be identified as such.

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 07:32 PM

@Kitt

Police officers, ambulances, and Fire Department are examples of private citizens, who through the course of performing public services at their jobs sometimes do not obey traffic signals.

happy new year, Kitt.

vv

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 07:36 PM

@heru-ur, re: Where's the Academic Outrage Over the Bombing of a University in Gaza?

Unlike the Academics, the lawyers have already held a lot of demonstrations, with many more planned. See link at sig for press release.

The National Lawyers Guild Condemns Illegal Israeli Massacre of over 300 Gazans

Calls for Ceasefire and Urges Participation in Protests

WASHINGTON - December 29 - The National Lawyers Guild (NLG) condemns Israel's massive bombardment of the Gaza Strip which has left over 300 dead and 1,400 wounded, with the tolls mounting. The Israeli Air Force dropped more than 100 bombs in dozens of locations throughout the Gaza Strip as children left school on Saturday. The dead include men, women and children in school uniforms.

"International law forbids the targeting of civilians," said Radhika Sainath, a civil rights attorney and member of the Free Gaza Committee of the NLG. "Israel must comply with laws of war and the Fourth Geneva Convention." Today's massacre marks an escalation of Israel's two-year blockade of the Strip which has deprived 1.5 million Palestinians of necessary food, medicine, fuel and other necessities. In November 2008, the United Nations stated that it had run out of food to feed over 750,000 needy Gazans.

Israel claims that the attack is in response to Palestinian rocket fire, which caused no recent Israeli deaths and few injuries. However, Israel's "rolling bombardment" and impending ground invasion is grossly disproportionate in light of the minimal damage caused by Palestinian rockets. "The law of war prohibits collective punishment and the targeting of a civilian population disproportionate to military necessity. Israel has flouted both these prohibitions, that follow its illegal occupation of Palestinian territory and its sealing of Gaza, subjecting Gazans to near starvation," said Marjorie Cohn, NLG president and a professor of international law at Thomas Jefferson School of Law. "The Human Rights and Security Assistance Act mandates that the United States cease all military aid to Israel, which has engaged in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights."

http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2008/12/29-6

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 07:43 PM

Glenn has a front-page story up

NOT a new blog post.

Happy New Year, most!

Wednesday, December 31, 2008 07:45 PM

Not enough energy?

I loved this little bit of stupidity from Ruth Marcus:

Fifth, focusing governmental energy on uncovering and punishing the actions of the past will inevitably drain energy and political capital from the new administration. /i>

Excuse me, but the government had plenty of time and energy to bust Tommy Chong on a trumped up charge of selling bongs across state lines. If Chong can stand trial, so can the thugs of the cheney-Bush Junta.

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