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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
The good news is that Feinstein will be up for re-election in 2010 and will be replaced by Schwarzenegger. This will mean one less Democratic seat, but won't change very many votes. The really good news is that she won't be chairperson of any committee after 2010.
...when they donated to, worked for, and 'chose' to vote at Korporate Money Party Approved Candidate "B" ? ? ?
hee hee hee
*NOW* they're feeling buyer's remorse ? ? ?
ho ho ho
didn't you want to be playa's playin' The Game, donatin' your kids' piggy banks to obamaniacs so you could buy -you know- 'good' influence ? ? ?
ha ha ha
*NOW* saloonies gots -like- principles and shit ? ? ?
ak ak ak
a little late in The Game for that, ain't it kampers...
who could have seen *this* coming... *snicker*
*what* are you going to say 10-20-30 years hence when your grandchildren ask:
"what did you do during the iraqi holocaust, grampa?"
"did you know 1 millions, 2 millions, 3 millions or more were being killed ? did they count as human beans ?"
"why did you vote for people who continued the iraqi holocaust, gramma ?"
...and your average stupid sheeple amerikan 'knows' that 'only' about 10,000 brown moose limbs in eye-rack were killed dead by our war machine...
we have the blood of millions of innocents on our hands...
shame shame shame
...but let's be 'pragmatic' about it
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
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With the extensive evidence that's been exposed since its inception after WWII, do we really believe that the most secretive agency with a classified (read unaccountable budget) ever created has to answer to or for anything?
Secondly, some here have surmised or proposed that revelations/openness of AFM or "enhanced interrogation" techniques would be unwise, because the victims would be able to learn somehow to resist them.
It's utterly preposterous to think the human bodily is capable of effectively fighting stress positions, hot/cold extremes, waterboarding and the like. These tortures and others will and do break down physiologically and neurologically the health of anyone. You cannot train to resist these and many other repeated assaults.
That is fantasy.
I think it's the usual Democratic pusillanimous crap: now that their posturing has a chance to become reality they are afraid it will make them look "weak" on terror if something happens and all the wbgonnes come out of the woodwork pointing fingers at them.
Feinstein handily won re-election in 2006, her term expires in 2012, when she will be 79.
...for reminding me the similarities between pontificating a "principled" radical stance and ejaculating into a tissue.
I'll remember you whenever I'm tempted to spout off to my pwoggy friends about how I warned them Obama would disappoint.
thanks to adnoto and art guerrilla ...for reminding me the similarities between pontificating a "principled" radical stance and ejaculating into a tissue.
Indeed. These two want to claim "my hands are clean!"
Which, I suppose, is the value of a tissue.
For me, issues of civil liberty and rule of law were key in voting against continued Republican dominance of our country. To be fair, it's true that even had the Democrats nominated Godzilla for President, I would have voted for him -- and put up a sign saying, "Elect The Imaginary Giant Movie Lizard!")
But I didn't vote for a new government, only to see it perpetuate Bush's crimes. Among other things, my vote was against torture, against ignoring the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Feinstein is one of my Senators; I've never much cared for her, and would be happy to work for any Progressive Democrat who looked like they had a chance of unseating her.
Obama himself said repeatedly and unequivocally during the campaign that he supports legislation to compel CIA compliance with the Army Field Manual, making it virtually impossible for him to veto any such legislation if Congress passes it.
You mean, like it was impossible for him to backtrack on his unequivocal promise during the campaign to support a filibuster for any FISA revision that included telecom immunity? We know how "impossible" that was.
That was Obama's first real test as a presidential candidate, to show that he was a man of his word, and he failed miserably.
I have no illusions that a second test would give a different outcome.
bamboozled?
Say on the morning of September 11, according to this question, we'd had Ziad al-Jarrah in custody. The idea, presumably, is that we'd begin ripping the fingernails off a man who had as yet committed no crime on the pure supposition that he might, in an alternative timeline, be about to try and pilot a plane into the U.S. Capitol.
We don't need laws, we need Time Police! [/snark]
Will that make you happy, adnoto?
The two biggest offenders of heroes carrying out torture, Alias and 24, debuted in September (30th) and November, 2001.
Overall, your premise is interesting, but I have a quibble. I was a regular Alias watcher for at least the first two seasons and I don't remember the "heroes carrying out torture" in that series. I do remember them being tortured. I'd have to re-watch it to check your impression, though, and it's not in syndication here, so I can't dispute you on that point with utter confidence.
However, the show was a paranoid mess of worrying us about who was really on which side; there were a variety of characters in the show that were ostensibly working for the "good guys," but often portrayed as under suspicion of possibly playing both sides of the fence. Of course, even the lead character originally worked for an organization she thought was the CIA but later found out it was a "bad guy" organization, so with all that murky "one week this agent is a good guy; the next week a bad guy" plotting, it could be difficult to identify actual heroes.
I bring this up in the context of this post because that show played a lot on mixed motivations and messages in a way that seems illustrative of the way many of our elected officials fail to maintain consistent, principles-based stances on issues; even those that, to me, seem so black and white. It makes for a cognitive dissonance like that El Zongo described in an earlier post. It's frustrating, baffling, depressing, and, in the particular case of torture, heartbreaking.
I've never been a single-issue voter, but if there's one thing that's a deal-breaker for me in the new shape of our government starting in January, it's this one. If our government does not take definitive, immediate, and public steps to demand that those who act in our name also act in accordance with treaty, law, and a basic respect for human dignity, then any "change" is going to be cosmetic, and that's just not good enough for me.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
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