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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
As with anything, once the initial shock and horror has passed, torture will begin to seem just a little less shocking and horrifying. I've said for years that Abu Graib and Guantanamo were as much PR as whistle-blowing. They had to know that right after "911" was their best chance ever to sneak torture and all the other authoritarian monstrosities into the mainstream culture. I have absolutely no doubt that our leaders were eager to have torture exposed - because they knew perfectly well how the dynamic would proceed to play out. And so it has.
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Say, Everything proceeds from the heart.
You have a good fickle heart on the Left.
Under ribcage, You feel in a lock prison?
It is sorta a jail cell. The heart has wings.
Some say: when we die, dream illusions?
Here? We People's seem to die, pass off?
Folk? We/me dead here on earth? Maybe.
I don't believe we/me, or anyone is free?
Sorta, words fall short, and we go goofy?
Banter is innocent expression? I no know.
Birds fly to the red berry holly bush. Glee.
Red and black birds sing: eat red berries.
Best not read any further, and PDA- mice?
Mice and mouse are UT readers pal friend.
Flee into the tree and leave me only, thee.
Three berries to scrap about. Free beers?
Miller Beer is a lumberjack best brew. Ay.
The one I am writing about consume six.
Boondocks six-pack drinks my free beer.
I have no beer, then birds, beast, woods,
lonely? The log splitters and deer drinker?
The deer drinker and birds no say:` Hi Ya!
The oops writ means:`Friend consume me.
Buy Miller HighLife. A Lure. * Flies stop bye.
The birds know how to sing. Who taught?
Thousand of cake crumbs make flock yak.
O a cute mountain deer visit my warm hut.
Maybe that never be a revolution? Ay Oho.
It's a small skip, a heart beat thump, Gong.
Ahh, the Friday Fisk has been presented to me. Yay!
The left's premise for much of what occurred during the Bush years is this: Bush is a bad and/or stupid man who, when given a clear choice between doing the right thing or not, made the wrong choice.
Nope. He wasn’t given a choice. He had already made up his mind and had an agenda. He was “the decider” and was not entertaining any options. Virtually everything he did was preplanned, imo.
They must DO something with the really bad guys at Gitmo whose countries don't want them back. Do you think these Senators want them in their neighborhood?
Name one. By all reliable accounts, 90% of these kids are nobodies. They were rounded up like cattle and brought in for no reason. There is no real evidence against them. Most of them will not be tried in any court of law. They are not “really bad guys.” They are no worse than a gang of American teenagers throwing a Molotov cocktail at Russian soldiers occupying their neighborhood. If our country was invaded and occupied by Russia and our children started fighting back with guns and bombs and booby traps and were rounded up and sent to secret detention camps or a Gulag without a trial, would you support their incarceration? Would you support torturing them?
They must DO something about how to get information out of men and women who are willing to blow up innocent children and themselves to further their ideology.Blah blah blah. I, for one, am willing to pay the price of freedom by taking my chances with our existing intelligence operation that is the most expensive and sophisticated in the world having a pretty good idea of what’s going on without having to wiretap ME and MY FRIENDS without a warrant.
And as far as your Chicken Little nonsense about bio-nuke-chemical WMDs, show me one single piece of evidence that a Terr-ist group has this capability now or in the near future? (((yawn))) This is soooooo tedious.
I just spoke to Pedinska. She and the Mad Chezk are currently Eastbound with the hammer down....right now ducking traffic in Morgantown.
Keep the porch light on.
I think I have a pretty good grasp of mine.
;-)
Limitations of imagination, comprehension, writing skills, ability
to withstand temptation, and so forth. Recognizing those
limitations, and asking that anyone reading this respect them along
with me, I offer - hastily - my unsolicited two cents:
First off, "No" to torture. Period. exclamation point.
If it is absolutely necessary to present bizarre hypothetical situations in order to derive what should by now be self-evident truths, then my reply would be:
Arguably, if I really thought torturing would yield a great enough good to outweigh the inherent evil, and if the conditions present were dire enough to overcome my normal rationality in favor of a hyper-emotional state lasting more than a couple of minutes, I suppose I might be tempted to give in to the temptation. But that would not make me right. Period. Exclamation point!
These "thought experiments" really puzzle me sometimes. Where do
we draw our lines? Why hasn't anyone asked this one: If raping the
innocent six year-old daughter of a terrorist would compel that
terrorist to release your family member hostage, would you do it?
This seems ridiculous to me, but I remind myself: we humans are
complicated apes (or at least we think we are). I think that
if you must jump through all sorts of theoretical hoops to either
accept or reject torture, you are over-thinking the question.
But maybe that's just me.
About the somewhat OT Revolution topic:
A while back, some of us initiated a blog site nominally dedicated to exploring the nuts and bolts of making direct action happen in these times. The site is called Achieving Our Country and the invitation remains open to all to drop by. The earliest posts actually duplicate some of the items discussed in this thread (later posts vary in specific relevance to the site's stated purpose, but are at least tangentially related to asserting our inalienable rights). If anyone wants to be a contributor, all she needs to do is ask via the comment section.
ps- I remember participating in a nation-wide general strike last year, but it had zero impact. I did not do a very good job.
pps- This is probably another one of those times that I should resist the impulse to hit [Send], but here goes....
No kings,
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
