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Thursday, December 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Why do Feinstein and Wyden sound much different on the torture issue now?

The two Senators spent the year emphatically insisting that the CIA's interrogators comply with the Army Field Manual. With Democrats in control, they're not so emphatic any longer

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 05:55 PM

ha ha: correction

I will NOT hide beyond the name tags. No, I will not :)

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:02 PM

Jkalos

I thought you wore the large red rubber thing on your nose. Please take it off your fingers while typing!

But seriously, thanks for pursuing the questions. I hope the plan is delivered to you.

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:04 PM

@ Mike-Man re: Why We Torture

One aspect of this issue (an aspect under-discussed even in progressive circles) is why the U.S. tortures. Torture is useless for intelligence-gathering, but very useful for intimidating and terrorizing populations you want to control --like say in the countries you're occupying.

Not to mention, say, the one in the country you're governing. I think the whole GWOT has been considerably more effective at intimidating and terrorizing the population in the U.S. than the populations that reside anywhere else.

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:13 PM

O/T for Jim White

It is the big sleeves on my clown shirt: they slide down over my wrists and mess up my typing skills. Not to mention the sounds of the other clowns, honking their horns and practicing their pratfalls: so distracting.

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:16 PM

There's no time for reptilian corporations

Or rational sense

Gettin' chopped up and devoured

Not when it's time

For my Cadilac hour...

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:24 PM

@ Pedinska

Well, I was initially uber-jealous of your claim to the "Bitch of the Week" title since I covet it myself, but after this:

I get really tired of the same old wornout 'pussy' sneer being thrown around by the dickless wonders of the world.


Anyone who has one knows that one good pussy can defeat a rather large number of tiny, shriveled, self-important dicks.


They should use their own anatomy, such as it is, to insult each other and leave women's out of it.

I bow to the superior woman. I have never encountered a better response to the repellant habit of flinging the term "pussy" by one non-possesor to insult another. I hope you won't mind if I borrow it some time?

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:29 PM

My god, Klytus:

there really is a cadillac hour!

http://www.xmradio.com/dylan-cadillac/index.xmc

hosted by Zimmerman himself!

Google is your friend.

We ARE all bozos on this bus.

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:30 PM

And do not neglect

to listen to that first great song in Dylan's show:

"a pretty girl, a cadillac, and some money/will make a rainy day seem so sunny"

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:37 PM

@Jkalos

Google up Nagativland

Klytus has got to be

One 'o their biggest of all fans...

Thursday, December 4, 2008 06:42 PM

Liberal Illuminati

I know that there are several groups now working to "progressive-ize" the Democratic Party through bottom-up promotion of progressive candidates in primaries and generals, attempting to replace the centrists... And I do hope that these efforts can have an effect. However, I can't help but wonder if these projects will have the kind of momentum to affect real change in a timely fashion. I can't help but wonder if "Acting Blue" will mean donating to progressive primary candidates and then voting for the centrists who defeat them in the general election anyway. -- Liberal Illuminati

"Have you considered that the internets and the netroots (as it is today) are actually an impediment to real activism? I am more than willing to grant that it is a great system for information dissemination, recording and countering the out-and-out lies of the establishment and for raising money for candidates but, when it comes to direct action, it is my belief that it acts as a ineffectual substitute and actually inhibits activism which might actually accomplish something.

Instead of leaders we have bloggers, who are natural leaders though, for the most part, they do not and will not acknowledge that fact. They are in a position to be the modern day organizers for real, direct action but for various reasons, not the least of which is, in some cases, wanting to appear "serious" so as to gain credibility and leave open the possibility of becoming part of the establishment themselves, they choose not to assume that natural mantle. Their readers (followers) are content that they are doing all they can by writing letters, making phone calls and, recently, throwing money at the problem. They are content even though nothing of significance is has been accomplished through those tactics. Over and over they are disappointed by their "representatives" lack of responsiveness...disappointed at their lack of "will to do the right thing"and yet these internet activists continue to do bang their collective head against the wall.

To these bloggers and their followers nothing is ever serious enough that it calls for direct action and, from what I have seen, nothing ever will be. Not lying us into a preemptive war of aggression, not the systematic dismantling of the constitution, not the Patriot Act, not torture, not the rape of the treasury, etc. etc. and certainly not illegal domestic spying.

And so it goes... -- adnoto

Permalink Tuesday, June 17, 2008 02:22 PM

Another thing,

To actually get into a position to minimize the influence of money in politics, we have to get people of a mind to do so elected. -- LWM

"Yes, I know what you think. I know that is your belief. You are why I fear for the future of this country. Not BushCo, not Pelosi, not Hoyer...YOU.

Please listen to me everyone.... Whether he realizes it or not "LWM" and those who believe as he does are attempting to sell you a lie. He and those like him are doing you as great a disservice as the BushCo's, Pelosi's and Hoyer's. He and his ilk either cannot grasp or refuse to acknowledge that it is the system, as it has been gamed by the corporate/MIC establishment and willing politicians, that is now the root of our problems. LWM wants to work "within" that system to bring about change. How many times have we heard that before? Ask yourself -- how often does that work?

More and better politicians of any stripe are not the answer for two simple reasons. First, we will never be able to elect enough of them all at once to affect serious change in the short term. It will not happen and you all know that. Secondly, because we can not elect enough of them this round, those that we are successful in electing will either be compromised and/or marginalized by the time we are able add to their number with even "more and better." Do you see the "one step forward, two steps back" aspect of it all? You must see it.

There have been people saying and attempting what he proposes for the entirety of our history as a nation. What has been the result? What has been the outcome? You are watching it. You are living it. You are "fighting" it right now.

[snip]

I am not advocating or calling for violence here. I am asking that we collectively wake up and take a bodily stand. The only kind of stand that will scare them. The only kind of stand that has a chance. -- adnoto

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