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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I get really tired of the same old wornout 'pussy' sneer being thrown around by the dickless wonders of the world.Anyone who has one knows that one good pussy can defeat a rather large number of tiny, shriveled, self-important dicks.
They should use their own anatomy, such as it is, to insult each other and leave women's out of it. -- Pedinska
Somewhere, someone is being tortured by the U.S. government. So? We must defend the pussy!
How funny that someone who has to look up Aeschylus on Wikipedia thinks he has the rhetorical chops to lay waste to anyone.
What stings (I suppose) is the creeping realization on the Left that their side isn't the principled champion of justice that many here would suggest.
He's definately in our future, at least as a candidate, isn't he.
On the positive side, if Jeb does run (and win) in 2016 as a 'moderate and pragmatic centrist, then perhaps Mrs. Obama could run for Gov. or Senator in Florida at that time, to fill the 'Jeb Gap'. But only after former president Clinton turns the job offer down.
The sight of politicians who believe in nothing but keeping their perquisites is not a pretty picture. This is a nightmare for voters thought they were getting real Democrats, but were scammed with a bait and switch routine. Democrats are OK with torture, too, though it may make radicals out of Muslims who otherwise wouldn't sign up for jihad.
Too bad some Spineless Ones (a.k.a. Principle-Free Dems) -- don't engage in Greenwaldian discussions. What we have to do is boot them out of office until we get some people in there who have do have Americans principles. It's a never-ending struggle, apparently.
How funny that someone who has to look up Aeschylus on Wikipedia thinks he has the rhetorical chops to lay waste to anyone.
Uh oh. That's chops talk and I love chops (we're talking pork, right?). Do I need to lay waste to you? I don't want to, really.
What stings (I suppose) is the creeping realization on the Left that their side isn't the principled champion of justice that many here would suggest.
Huh? Who said, apart from you, that "their side isn't the principled champion of justice that many here would suggest"?
Again, which side is that? Let me make this plain: the struggle--nay, the fight--against indecency, illegality, and unprincipled behavior is never ending. This isn't a left/right issue no matter how much you'd like to make it so.
What stings (I suppose) is the creeping realization on the Left that their side isn't the principled champion of justice that many here would suggest.
Some rhetoric lays waste to itself.
I suppose.
Let me see if I can elucidate:
You are all just sitting around writing on blogs. So am I. But if there was a revolution I'd be out there sticking it to the man, and you guys would just be sitting here writing on blogs, like this guy Greenwald, who writes a lot of stuff about how both Republicans and Democrats are screwing things up, which means that he wants the Democrats to be in charge and wants them to kill women and babies and also that he's in love with Obama.
I would be the hero of the revolution and everything. That's the way it would be, if everything was right (see impractical hypothetical scenarios thread). So I don't have to actually read anything anyone writes here to call you all a bunch of cowards, becuase its obvious, from what I just wrote that you are. And you're all too cowardly to address any of the points I've made here. Because you're cowards. But not me. You're just going to have to take my word on that.
so we will have to try to work within the system even as we hate the system.Agreed? -- heru-ur
Work within this system? As it stands now? Umm... no.
You aren't really that lost are you?
I see you are reading your comments - are you checking your email?
Again, Good Goddess, for the last time: how can you know ahead of time that "a) said person actually possesses critical information; b) that information can be reliably extracted via torture; c) the information "extracted" will happily prevent some earth-shaking event?" If you cannot know those things ahead of time - and you cannot, then you are committing a crime. That is all.
Nobody "knows" anything. We act upon degrees of certainty and probabilities. That's in the real world. In the certitude of ethical heaven, you needn't worry about such things.
I posed 3 hypotheticals and only one of you even had the courage to simply say: No, I would not torture regardless of the consequences. Everyone else quibbles about the implausibility of the scenarios. That is disingenuous. Surely, each of you can imagine a situation where you would do something you otherwise wouldn't to protect yourself or people you love. If you are truly interested in considering the question, then do this: Construct such a hypothetical for yourself, where the people you love are in mortal danger, and where some other person knows but won't say where they are. What would you do?
Now, take that and think about this: What if we had captured Mohammed Atta in Logan Airport before the hijacked planes flew, that we suspected from our intelligence there was an imminent plot that would cause thousands of casualties. We knew that Atta was deeply involved and knowledgeable and that's why we arrested him. But he wouldn't talk. What should the U.S. president do? What would you do if you were the President?
That's about all the defense for torture I can or care to muster.
Obama is the president elect and therefore he has won the right to run his administration as he choses. That does not, however, grant him leave to commit crimes and torture IS inarguably a criminal act, both in it's commission and it's authorization. I detest Feinstein and don't consider her anything more than an enabler of the egregious acts committed under Bush. I don't know much about Wyden, other than the fact that he is a particularly spineless member in a caucus of invertebrates. Neither the Legislative Branch nor the Executive Branch should be allowed to backtrack on this issue one millimeter no matter the controlling party affiliation. The media loves to push the fantasy that "the left" is upset with Obama's cabinet appointments but if they really want to see what an upset left looks like, then by all means, back off of the promises to restore the rule of law and they will be educated.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
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