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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
How do you think we (people like AG and I) view Glenn and you work-within-the-system "pragmatists?" How's that electing more Democrats to solve the problems working out? How do you suppose new "this time we mean it!" anti-torture laws are going to work out?
How's your super-radical, street-marching, burning-things-down, take-no-prisoners, outside-the-system revolution working out?
Dianne Feinstein and Ron Wyden made ambiguous statements on torture yesterday. I guess that proves that everything you're doing is a big failure.
Stuck up? MaybeHaughty Taughty? A little
Willing to forego one of the great experiences of all time? Sure
Don't mince your words on my behalf.
Truth be known: I'm a little shy.
Yes, the "softening" of the Democrats position was easily foreseeable. It is exactly the way the game is played now.
What will also be fun to watch is people who have spent the last year railing about Bush's policies, many of whom have posted letters here, backing off their positions and saying, um, well, really, there are good reasons to and we should never say never and used with good judgement ...
How do you suppose new "this time we mean it!" anti-torture laws are going to work out?"-- adnoto
Don't know yet. How's your fucking revolution coming along?
Here response definately represents a subtle change in position. Why else, would she write a 1,000+ word response with the meet of the issue buried about 600 words deep into the letter. Such as:
"As you may or may not be aware, under current law, the Army Field Manual can be revised by the Executive Branch without prior consent from Congress. This is to allow for the possibility of incorporating other legal, humane and noncoercive interrogation techniques that might be discovered to be effective in the future. Just because the Army Field Manual is currently the best available standard for interrogation does not mean we can’t do better."
There is plenty of wiggle room here to alter it. It's a mini-head fake with implication being that we, can make the rule "even more moral and ethical.''
But as GG has documented on numerous occassions, the current crop of Congressional Democratic leadership no doubt will use this vagueness for the exact opposite purpose - to make the Army Field Manual "tougher" on those suspected terrorists.
Same as the Old Boss
Adnoto, I have no doubt that you have a point to make. I have no doubt that the USA will continue to torture and kill innocent men, women, and children.
But, sometimes you might use a little honey to win converts to your viewpoint rather than so much vinegar. I agree that this government is broken, but I do not see a bloody revolution around the corner; and so we will have to try to work within the system even as we hate the system.
Agreed?
The future Bush
For a minute I thought you were referring to the rumor that Jeb is mulling a run for Senate. After Glenn's column yesterday, it's clear that if another Bush enters the Beltway, we should evacuate.
What will also be fun to watch is people who have spent the last year railing about Bush's policies, many of whom have posted letters here, backing off their positions and saying, um, well, really, there are good reasons to and we should never say never and used with good judgement ...
And which UT letter writers, pray tell, are engaging in the behavior that you describe?
no one has bothered to adress the content of either of our postings. Why do you think that is?
This sort of argument we all did in college after Jack Black and a quarter pound of weed.
Man, I wish I'd been your dorm-mate.
adnoto: You know how Glenn and most of the centrist commenters here like to complain about the how media and pundits who were so wrong about the war still hold their information disseminating positions?
I'm not sure what you mean here.
ethics_professor: yes, bolds and italics. And to think I'm working this keyboard with little more than reflexiveness. That means I'm bound to join up with Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes in my Scientology search for truth and wisdom. Dianetics is the answer to everything (and I'm assuming Dianetics is applicable to those who suffer from high blood sugar).
I agree that this government is broken, but I do not see a bloody revolution around the corner;
You obviously don't work for FEMA...
http://www.infowars.com/?p=5165
On April 3, 2008, WMR reported on a highly-classified document regarding the martial law scenario:WMR has learned from knowledgeable sources within the US financial community that an alarming confidential and limited distribution document is circulating among senior members of Congress and their senior staff members that is warning of a bleak future for the United States if it does not quickly get its financial house in order. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is among those who have reportedly read the document. The document is being called the "C & R" document because it reportedly states that if the United States defaults on loans and debt underwriting from China, Japan, and Russia, all of which are propping up the United States government financially, and the United States unilaterally cancels the debts, America can expect a war that will have disastrous results for the United States and the world. "Conflict" is the "C word" in the document. The other scenario is that the federal government will be forced to drastically raise taxes in order to pay off debts to foreign countries to the point that the American people will react with a popular revolution against the government. "Revolution" is the document’s "R word.
my dad and his friends tried a lot of the super-radical, street-marching, burning-things-down, take-no-prisoners, outside-the-system revolution working thing - but I guess it didn't work out that well - Could we please now try another concept?
Meet the New Boss, ... Same as the Old Boss
Good Christ, thank God you came along. Never have I heard such a thing. And I say this with little (well, no) sincerity.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
