"P.S. I found your e-mails in my spam folder last night, just in case you were wondering why I was so rude."-- ethics_professor

That thought never crossed my mind.

Stuck up? Maybe

Haughty Taughty? A little

Willing to forego one of the great experiences of all time? Sure

Rude? Never.

To answer your question perhaps Wyden did not advocate this because there wasn't enough support or votes in the Senate. Things have changed in the last month. Dems have a stronger majority in Congress and a democratic president.

Sorry, but this doesn't make any sense. Why, with an increased/stronger Democratic majority and President, would they now have to advocate a weaker anti-torture law than what they were advocating before, when they had fewer seats and a GOP President?

'If Glenn was here in the good ol' US of A, he would know that the only commensurate response to the entire "War on Terror" is one hell of a case of National Amnesia! Doesn't Mr. Greenwald see that the best and brightest young things are all working assiduously to produce one of our greatest National Amnesia's ever?' -

And I always thought you were on our side?!"

And about this Amnesia thing - 'the brightest young things' might forgive 'the stupid old things' that they screwed up this country beyond believe - but forget about it - NEVER - 'Amnesia' is no option - and even the greatest, bi-partisan effort by Obama and his Administration, assisted by the news media might not be enough to repair the damage of the old farts!

Take that!!

(and I love your sincerity man)

No. Not even if you said stop WWI and WWII and all those deaths.

I would never commit evil simply to try to change the future. (it would be trying to change the future according to your hypo)

This sort of argument we all did in college after Jack Black and a quarter pound of weed. It is meaningless. It is like the first grader who was asking questions after his school practiced a "code red lock down drill"; he asked what would happen if the school was taken a mile in the air by a tornado. The teacher told him in that case he should pray, because everyone would be going to school heaven real quick.

Note the bar on the right hand side of the screen, and consider the fact that you don't have to read anything you don't want to.

kthxbai

Why would they now bring Obama's name into the equation?

Because they are gutless and afraid to take a stand on their own. They are now setting Obama up for any heat which might come their way down the road and doing the Pontius Pilot crapola with the whole issue.

If Obama wants these shitheads to do something, he's going to have to ask for it because they don't have the balls (sorry Pedinska) to do it on their own without cover. None of them are worth a warm bucket of piss.

Sorry-assed bastards.

Plus they're smarmy.

Even adnauseum is less of an ass (although his inability to spell Courts Martial is a bit tiresome; I expect that from the idiots, but not from an ex-Marine.) -- Holly McLachlan

It's former Marine please and sometimes even the more intelligent leftist Marines like myself are idiots. I was in a bit of a rush when I wrote that but it was an idiotic mistake. Good that you pointed it out.

As for Art Guerrilla... I am with him. As of your post that I am quoting from, no one has bothered to adress the content of either of our postings. Why do you think that is?

You know how Glenn and most of the centrist commenters here like to complain about the how media and pundits who were so wrong about the war still hold their information disseminating positions? How do you think we (people like AG and I) view Glenn and you work-within-the-system "pragmatists?" How's that electing more Democrats to solve the problems working out? How do you suppose new "this time we mean it!" anti-torture laws are going to work out?

Who needs to torture Iraqis when Halliburton and KBR can torture the troops long term through exposure to the burn pit at Joint Base Balad?

I don't know how people here have been following the burn pit, but a Georgia man is filing a class action lawsuit against Halliburton and KBR for it.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski215.html

There is an open burn pit at the huge American air base in Balad, Iraq, largest of four US taxpayer-funded military monstrosities built in Iraq and operated to this day without a legal status-of-forces agreement. Military Times reports on the environmental concerns of this pit not only because the details are vivid and alarming, but because Balad’s burn pit is part of a larger toxicity problem created by the American government in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Balad, a microcosm of Americana abroad and shining icon of our foreign policy in gas and oil rich regions, produces, among other things, 250 tons of waste per day. That’s over 90,000 tons of waste per year. Waste the size of a US aircraft carrier, or an entire Washington Monument in garbage, year after year – just from one Iraqi base. Who says America doesn’t produce anything!

Today, three "green" incinerators exist at Balad. But to date, the majority of waste is still burned in the open pit. It’s only news today because some apparently unpatriotic American servicemen have been complaining about possible health effects of living downwind from the burn plume.The Greenies out there should like that bolded part...

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/10/military_burnpit_102708w/

Burn pit at Balad raises health concerns

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Troops say chemicals and medical waste burned at base are making them sick, but officials deny risk

By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer

Posted : Wednesday Oct 29, 2008 16:31:18 EDT

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An open-air “burn pit” at the largest U.S. base in Iraq may have exposed tens of thousands of troops, contractors and Iraqis to cancer-causing dioxins, poisons such as arsenic and carbon monoxide, and hazardous medical waste, documentation gathered by Military Times shows.

The billowing black plume from the burn pit at 15-square-mile Joint Base Balad, the central logistics hub for U.S. forces in Iraq, wafts continually over living quarters and the base combat support hospital, sources say.

The article with the lawsuit:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/12/military_kbr_lawsuit_121508w/

A Georgia man has filed a lawsuit against contractor KBR and its former parent company, Halliburton, saying the companies exposed everyone at Joint Base Balad in Iraq to unsafe water, food and hazardous fumes from the burn pit there.

His pain is long term:

Eller filed his claim after he deployed in February 2006 for 10 months. The lawsuit claims he developed skin lesions that subsequently spread, filled with fluid and burst. He said they went away, then reappeared, followed by blisters on his feet that made it painful for him to walk. He said they healed, but continue to return every three to four months.

Then, Eller said he experienced vomiting, cramping and diarrhea, and continues to suffer severe abdominal pain.

A real nugget:

"On one occasion, he witnessed a wild dog running around base with a human arm in its mouth. The human arm had been dumped on the open air burn pit by KBR."

Um, WTF??