those are from pieceofcake

hbg = half blood german

fba = full blood american

I was given to believe the methods in the Army field manual were “legal, humane and noncoercive.” I don't see where the difference matters except that I'm quite sure that terrorist organizations all over the work already have copies of the US Army field manual and are already preparing their personel for those particular techniques. Maybe both of them are noticing the distinct difference between being the loyal opposition and actually governing.

I was relieved to read the text of this article. The headline had me thinking that we had two more confirmed cases of the Leiberman Syndrome.

Now that the Dems are in complete control, they don't want to take any particular measure "off the table" like keeping some guy up for 24 straight hours for interrogation. I suppose that is not allowed in the Field Manual becasue it is deemed "unpleasant".

Gimme a freakin' break - the Left are such pussies in this matter; it almost makes me want to vote for Palin the next time around.

Obama is going to have a major problem filling key roles in CIA because the pros can't reconcile the views of the Left to the real world.

These people are not Americans, they are Republicans. There is a huge difference. Americans believe in equality, liberty, justice, and democracy. Republicans believe in absolute power, loyalty to the party, torture, rendition, political prosecutions and mass murder. DiFi has always been a Republican. Don't know about Wyden but if he hedges on torture, he'll hedge on everything. This just goes to show that I have always been right when I have said that this country is now a barbaric state run by barbarians for their own personal enrichment. DiFi and Wyden are just the latest examples. Just wait until Obama endorces torture.

i have posted NUMEROUS 'serious', 'practical' postings concerning the BEDROCK issue -trustworthy voting systems- which a SUPPOSED participatory small-dee democracy MUST HAVE... excepting a few perspicacious kampers, these commonsensical posts of how to enable trustworthy voting systems are routinely ignored... (not to mention they are promoted by many other concerned citizens and experts like brad friedman, bev harris, fitrakis, rfk jr, etc, not just juvenile assholes like me, dickhead)

you -and others of the babbling babbitry- don't bother to understand the PRIMARY IMPORTANCE of this issue, but you positively slaver to insult and deride those patriots who see unassailable KAPITALIST IMPERIALISM as the ROOT CAUSE of myriads of interconnected problems destroying our society and planet...

i also have strong opinions (which turn out to be correct, how annoying is that?)on how virtually ANYONE who rises through our corrupted system will NOT be a person who will fundamentally change/address the serious problems INHERENT in this world where unrestrained kapitalism is in the saddle, and the devil take the hindmost...

(nota bene: 90% of us are the hindmost...)

so, yes, fuck you twice, dickhead... as it turns out, MY SUPERIOR AND REALITY-BASED 'opinions' and juvenile jawing on these matters and these people comports with what actually IS, rather than the childish wishful-thinking, handwringing, and PLAYING THE FIXED GAME AS IT IS, RATHER THAN DOING WHAT IS REQUIRED TO CHANGE THE GAME TO NOT BE CROOKED ! ! !

...and YES, you ARE all fools who 'believed' in 'change' and 'hope' and all the rest of the BULLSHIT...

UNLESS/UNTIL i hear ONE FUCKING STUPID saloonie get on the bandwagon for REAL CHANGE and advocate for INSTANT RUNOFF VOTING as their NUMBER ONE PRIORITY TO CHANGE THE FIXED GAME, i don't think you baby-citizens know shit...

...*and* ALL YOUR STUPID donations ONLY SERVE AND PERPETUATE THE CORRUPT MACHINE, idiots...

how many million innocents can die before kovie will lift a finger against 'his/her' gummint ? ? ?

1 million ?

nope...

2 million ?

i doubt it...

6 millions ? ? ?

no, kovie is der gut amerikan, NOTHING will cause him to rebell against the status quo...

artguerrilla@alltel.net

(there, i've shown you mine, now show me yours, dickless; yeah, i thought not, pussy...)

art guerrilla

aka ann archy

eof

They must've been watching the recent 2-hour episode of 24 and suddenly realized that the country really does need to worry about the ticking time bomb scenario where a terrorist must be tortured to save an American city!

So torture is wrong when it's a Bush policy, but okay when (if) it's an Obama policy?

http://harpers.org/archive/2008/12/hbc-90003956

December 4, 7:46 AM, 2008
The Gray Lady’s Torture Problem
By Scott Horton

On Wednesday, the New York Times had another psychotic episode. The paper’s editorial page has been an eloquent voice on the national stage regarding torture. But often enough the news it relies upon for its editorials never finds its way into its reporting.

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This has been remarked before, and bears repeating. The NYTimes editorial writers, especially on issues of law and ethics, often show that they've learned things that were covered only in blogs and other obscure places, and that weren't covered in the news pages of the NYTimes.

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Scott Horton continues:

That’s the case with this piece by Mark Mazzetti and Scott Shane. The story could have grappled with the many subtle and complex policy issues that the incoming administration faces in implementing its no-torture pledge at the CIA. Instead, however, the authors treat us to what sounds suspiciously like an extended pouting session from the camp of John O. Brennan.

Brennan and his friends obviously believe that rejecting him is a slap in the face to all veterans of the war on terror–an absurd proposition that the Times then proceeds to treat as indisputable fact.

But the Times’s language is even more revealing. As Andrew Sullivan points out, the Times chokes and sputters and is unable to mouth the word “torture.”

As I discovered in studying the paper’s reporting over a period of year, when a neighbor plays his stereo too loudly in the apartment next door, that is “torture.”

But when a man is stripped of his clothing, chained to the floor in a short-shackle position, subjected to sleep deprivation and alternating cold and heat, and left to writhe in his own feces and urine—that, in the world of the Times, is just an “enhanced interrogation technique.”

Shane and Mazzetti do us one better in this piece. Figures who criticize torture and Brennan’s fitness to be DCI are, we learn, the “left wing of the Democratic Party.”

That’s a remarkable characterization for a group that is led by retired generals and admirals [...]

- - Scott Horton at Harper's

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See also Charles Kaiser at CJR.