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Why do Feinstein and Wyden sound much different on the torture issue now?

The two Senators spent the year emphatically insisting that the CIA's interrogators comply with the Army Field Manual. With Democrats in control, they're not so emphatic any longer

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  • Friday, December 5, 2008 06:16 AM

    wbegonne - False Premises Result in False Conclusions

    First faulty premise:

    To make this concrete: If Bush had waterboarded high-value AQ captures during the first week after 9/11 in an effort to discover whether other plots were imminent, then most Americans would have excused him, I believe.

    I'd like to know, bgonne, if you, or anyone here, was willing to stake your life on this premise. Are you willing to forfeit our nation's reputation and standing for this?

    Has it been proven, to your satisfaction, that they had the right guys in the first place? Say it was some 19 Arabs (allegedly mostly from Saudi Arabia and Morocco, so who knows how Iran or Iraq plays a part here), when did you ever see a scintilla of evidence that Bush caught anybody with any information after 9/11? Have you seen a trial? How can you agree to torture someone for a phantom notion?

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