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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Not comparable unless you think the Wal-Mart stampede was instigated by well organized provocateurs from a right wing nutcase organization that on the days when they're being kind, resembles the Ku Klux Klan. Remember the post I put up earlier when I referred to following Narendra Modi off the violence cliff? Remember what organization I affiliated him with? Wasn't it the RSS? He's one of the politicians that the articles by sysprog are referring to, a member of the BJP. Where L.K. Advani showed some restraint, he didn't. And, he is the man most responsible for the riots in Gujarat you are citing, why the police just stood around and watched the killings when they weren't doing the killings themselves, and he was re-elected as chief minister of the province by a large margin after it was known what had really happened there.
My point in the comparison was that the Indians had every provocation to go nuts on the captured terrorist. In America, he'd have been lucky not to have been shot on the way down to the jailhouse. And I am not naive enough to think they weren't rough on him at all, but he showed up in court with fewer marks than would be expected if they'd been all torture and "enhanced interrogation". And America wants to comment on, and wag their fingers at, and warn against, any knee jerk actions by the Indians, but the Indians, unlike the Americans, interrogated without a black site and a personality decomposition, not to mention a lot of beatings and forced stress positions, and they managed to arraign a terrorist who had done horrendous things in court, unlike the Americans. Because they showed some restraint, this time.
I had detected a lot of condescension in the American reports on what was happening in Mumbai, and I think, given the circumstances, there is nothing to condescend about. The Indians, so far, have conducted themselves quite well on this go round, and the Americans and the Brits and the Israelis have no cause for such condescension.
If they had acted like the Israelis, they'd have brought in attack helicopters and killed all the captives and hostages and burnt the buildings to the ground as their means. If they'd acted like the British, they'd have heard the report that the terrorists had backpacks, and gone and shot everyone in Mumbai that had a backpack. And if they were to have acted like Americans, with all evidence pointing to a terrorist group based in Pakistan, India would now be planning an invasion of Finland.
"Gad, sir the New York Times is right. The world will be unsafe while Germany's military power is restrained."
And if they were to have acted like Americans, with all evidence pointing to a terrorist group based in Pakistan, India would now be planning an invasion of Finland.
And when combined with sysprog's "Gad, sir the New York Times is right. The world will be unsafe while Germany's military power is restrained,"
we're left with a recipe for either one giant nut-filled pastry or a planet bereft of reason. Or maybe, transcendentally, these are one and the same. I really don't know, sometimes.
There is no mention of Mumbai in this article.
"Why did they smear him? Well, this unmarried guy had the temerity to have a girlfriend who worked at the World Bank. This American Jew was enjoying a real loving relationship with an Egyptian woman who did not work directly for him. The NYT helped to hound him out of there, and not a peep from stalin.com.
And, when Clinton was revealed to not be having real affairs of the heart, but the kind of abusive sexual demands we passed so many laws to prevent, we also heard not a peep from Glen Greenberg and the NYT, who defended Bubba to the max. So, Glen and all you good libral-pwogwessive twits found no problem with Billy Clinton's predatory behavior toward women, but Paul Wolfowitz had to go, right?"
Hey, zoltan newberry, I hope you were clear headed when you wrote this, because I cannot fathom how you can come up with this crap. NYT defended Clinton? Did you read all NYT editorials about Whitewater? I am not talking about the despicable assertions by the Republican Dan Burton, right wing talk radio and the disgraceful hounding of the Clintons by WallStreet Journal.
Are you saying there were no ethical lapses by this unmarried guy at the world bank who happened to be a "neocon"? Just because the hypocrites at the WallStreet journal came to his defense does not mean that he was as clean as a whistle.
And will you lay off the ridiculous attacks on Glenn? He is more honest and decent than the lying idiots (neocons) who cooked up the Iraq war to satisfy their egotistic need to rearrange the map of the middle east.
I'm back from a gruelling experience of fixing a computer that had a horrible series of trojans and viruses (viri?) and it took killing the beasties with a complete reinstall to rid the machine of them. Just in time to meet our new whackjob, Zoltan. Whatever ...
For the record, I think I have seen the name Zoltan around before.
Around '97 I was working with a 386 box and Windows 95. I was in the middle of some important work (important to me at least) when a nasty new virus took down the whole box. All files lost.
At that time, I decided that the Linux I had played with was just going to have to be "good enough". So, I installed Debian "bo" and have never allowed a Windows product in my house. I am now up to Debian "Lenny" on one partition, with Debian "Sid" on the other. I have not paid for any software since and I claim that OpenOffice 3.0 is much nicer than the MS Office stuff that I sometimes use at work.
My wife surfs all over the net clicking on god-knows-what and my mother sends us both virus infected chain mail daily. No worries here. And she has never complained that her 3 year old computer is "getting slow". :-)
My decision was reinforced a couple of summers ago when I read about a poor bloke in London. Seems he was arrested for having illegal images on his computer. It looked like he was going to prison for being a pervert with a special interest in the kiddies. But, he had enough money to hire the best computer security firm in the country (or so the news claimed) to investigate the impounded computer. Turns out there were 100s of viruses and worms. Turns out that some bad guys were using his box as a server of illegal images! All this without his being aware --- just as most people I work with think getting another virus is just part of computing. The case was tossed out, and he got his life back. But I am poor; and I could not afford a defense --- so I'll make sure the box I am typing on stays free from others control. (if I can)
Dell now sells computers with GNU/Linus pre-installed. Worth a look to those who need their computer and do not want to "share" unless they give permission.
Even better; when you have that "old" box that is just "too damn slow" to use anymore, put a Linux distro on it and see what it is like.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
