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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
This bit about Chavez is truly bizarre. I cannot believe Glenn badmouthing anyone about supporting removal some one from office where....
This week's crisis began with a general strike against replacing professional managers at the state oil company with political cronies. It took a grave turn Thursday when armed Chávez supporters fired on peaceful strikers, killing at least 14 and injuring hundreds. Mr. Chávez's response was characteristic. He forced five private television stations off the air for showing pictures of the massacre.
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Glenn why are you supporting massacres and coverups? Have you gone insane? Do you think Obama should have the power to let staff shoot people and then takeover TV stations that show the dead and dying? Good God. I can't think of any better reasons to have someone else take over.
And to top it off, you're going to rake the Times and Bush over the coals for writing editorials and sending an envoy after a change in government we had nothing to do with?
The Times' propagandistic cheer-leading for the military coup in Venezuela is an important illustrative event which should be regretted, but not erased. - GG
Unbelievable. I guess it wasn't against the law to do something like that and therefore acceptable.
... Don't allow yourself do be baited. Period. Personally I think Heru has an irrational fixation with the idea you may have voted for PE Obama based "in part" on his skin color. ... -- rrheard
Read the thread in order. Then tell me who you think took the first shot. Since you are making comments and judgments, I think my request is only fair.
Tell me what you find after you read the whole thread in order.
TIA
in his recent book "Excavating Kafka" James Hawes writes about how the German press during WWI lead the public to believe that the army was winning the war right up until the armistice was signed. The German public was understandably stunned and outraged over the surrender, and especially after the terms dictated at Versailles. this, of course, was fuel for the right wing which led to Hitler's ascent to power. the German press was fully culpable in setting off the momentum to the chain of events which led, ultimately, to the Holocaust.
i lived in Venezuela from January 2000 until July 2001 and once got a wave from Hugo Chavez, most probably because I was the only gringo in sight. the man is no angel, for sure, but he was elected fair and square, not once but twice. how he has manipulated his power in the past six years is certainly reprehensible but what he has done is no worse than that of a lot of authoritarian leaders that our government has either supported or condoned. Pinochet comes to mind.
but back to the point: our press has largely stood by or cheered while the Bush Administration has shit on the ideals on which this country was founded. there are many so-called journalists and talking heads, publishers and media owners that deserve nothing more than our utter contempt.
rrheard
Let's be fair. I don't call him names. Don't let the ferocity of his response color my posts. -- omooex
Ah.... yes, but you are an emotionally & intellectually competent adult -- baiting someone who clearly doesn't rise to that level.
The most important part of Glenn's post, for me, as an American is not the part about the Mumbai attacks and not speculation about translated quotes from the Mumbai security personnel.
It's his critique of the commonplace revisionism in the New York Times. Revisionism in the American MSM is much more the sort of issue that we can focus on with some hope of affecting a change. There is every reason to highlight each instance of high-level backstroking on the issues that defined this passing decade.
Obama is clearly not going to boot all "insiders" to the curb; he needs competent personnel to run the ginormous Executive branch apparatus. But, instability in our current situation extends beyond the Presidency. Our "insider" elites are under significant pressure at this point. Some of them are too broke to easily remain "insiders" going forwards. As to (possibly) being too soiled by association with the outgoing regime..... that's a happened before, but it may be more severe this time.
Two Baby Boomer Presidents from (ostensibly) opposite sides of the fence have come and gone over the past 16 years, and this is the first time that the educated, Bowash elite has really felt change on a scale that our parents had to deal with. They are likely to be squirming in a most public fashion over the next few months.
It's not in our best interests to let them all slither into position without critique, and without notice.
Excuse me? Massacring citizens is OK?
Massacring foreign nationals is OK?
This bit about Chavez is truly bizarre. I cannot believe Glenn badmouthing anyone about supporting removal some one from office where....
Stop right there. We aren't discussing the morality or obvious lack thereof of Chavez's government. You want to have that discussion, find it somewhere else. Glenn was clear about his subject and where he stands on it. Stay on the topic and quit trying to switch it.
Glenn why are you supporting massacres and coverups? Have you gone insane?
Have you? Given you're reading things that Glenn didn't actually write, you might want to seek some medical help, fast.
Do you think Obama should have the power to let staff shoot people and then takeover TV stations that show the dead and dying? Good God. I can't think of any better reasons to have someone else take over.
He already has the power thanks to his predecessor. Are you suggesting Bush should have been deposed by coup?
And to top it off, you're going to rake the Times and Bush over the coals for writing editorials and sending an envoy after a change in government we had nothing to do with?
Freedom of speech, son. If the press wants to print stuff like that, they should be ready to be called on it.
The Times' propagandistic cheer-leading for the military coup in Venezuela is an important illustrative event which should be regretted, but not erased. - GG
Unbelievable. I guess it wasn't against the law to do something like that and therefore acceptable.
You not making sense here. Are you criticising Glenn's criticism, or the Times' revisionism?
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