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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Everyone blames all this on Bush but the Congressional Democrats are just as responsible. As the article states many Dems voted for the MCA. They have controlled Congress for 2 years and have done nothing about it. The Dems have repeatedly voted more funds for the ongoing wars. Bush could do nothing without the money and the Dems refuse to cut him off.
have repeatedly cited, or alluded to, the AP article with the two unnamed/anonymous sources of Obama's transition team who say Obmama will not prosecute - I would ask you one last time to consider this:
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/11/hbc-90003868
There is never any rationale needed. This is the very nature of government and the thugs that enforce its will.
As in the parable from the "Crying Game" (an old movie), it is simply in its nature.
Started reading this and was fairly uplifted-had heard about it on CNN earlier..
by the time I got to the last sentence though, I was very sickened at what this WH has wrought in the name of Americans everywhere.
These seemingly inocuous little details-like "had a 6yr old he has never met" is gut wrenching..
I'm glad some judges have the guts to do the right thing..
I think it is the EX-prisoner-improperly-imprisoned that should have the say about where he lives..
I think it is up to the US to offer them stay here--with offers of free education, psychological and medical help, and job-training..
Hopefully, the American people can have the chance to make a bigger influence of good, if they are settled here in the US-to let foreigners know that all Americans are not as shallow, inhumane, and sadistic as GW and Cheney..
Thank-you for that BONUS.
Oh The DEMS are just as much at fault is a bullshit argument if you're trying to say Bush and the GOP aren't culpable in all this!
The fact is the Bush administration is primarily responsible for the utter contempt shown the US Constitution and normal operating procedures for warfare and treatment of "enemy" combatants.
I find myself wishing their roles were reversed...those voting for the MCA and the detainees so harmed by that act.
These are not dems who voted yea but DINOs. McCain the most pathetic hypocrite of all...followed by Lieberman. And now dem leaders want to just "forget about it" and move forward with no accountability for this sadistic administration. Message for future leaders and presidents...they can do anything and get away with it...there is no fear of accountability.
These leaders have bought a cloud of shame over America that only their punishment can even begin to rectify.
"Does anyone know if the 5 released prisoners can sue the government, or otherwise get any compensation for their treatment? God knows they deserve it"
The Urighurs mentioned by omooex are a very good example of why people haven't been released-- there isn't anywhere to release them to, or if there is, it is a state where continued torture and execution is a likely outcome. And you can't release them into the US, because once they are legally on US soil, well it will be lawsuit time. Huge lawsuit time. Massive, crushing, turning over the rocks and watching the insects scuttle away lawsuit time.
Which kinda puts The Stain and his friends in a dilemma; once you start doing something like Gitmo, it becomes very difficult and unpleasant to stop, rather like heroin I suppose.
Ya right. And my coffee club indicted President Bush for murder. So what?
Obama will protect all the war criminals. I'll offer a wager on it; want to go there?
Many of these prisoners may have been driven to psychosis or engineered to show the signs of psychosis, alienation being one of the prerequisites to starting the cycle. The first thing the U.S. may try to claim is that they have become dangerous pyschotics (driven to it by continuous trauma and invasive surveillance with symptoms of post traumatic shock syndrome mixed in which can cause symptoms of violence). Therefore, the prisoners can be released but they will have to be confined forever to psychiatric hospitals. Psychiatrists may even try to claim that their psychotic symptoms were "dormant" and that it just took the proper conditions to "release" them. After all, religious fanatacism produces a psychological imbalance that can produce all sorts of psychopathologies.
Human rights organization will need to be particularly vigilant regarding the psychiatric analysis and care these individuals receive as their "psychotic" symptoms may not be as serious as they seem or may be a conglommeration of symptoms mascarading as late stage psychosis. Stockholm syndrome can play tricks on the mind and produce scatology, etc. because that is what the captors want the prisoners to produce. Their minds and wills are being purposely weakened.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/11/20-6
by Jeremy Scahill
Another great article from commondreams.org --- well worth a read.
Forgive this loose and imperfect paraphrase from a book that's somewhere in the house, but not handy:
Mark Crispin Miller wrote of an interview with Bush that may even have occurred before he was installed by the SCOTUS in 2000. When Bush was asked what he thought was the most important quality a president could possess, he replied that a president should be like "calcium"-- the ingredient in bones that keep them strong and straight.
In response to Bush's curious and unexpected metaphor for leadership, Miller noted dryly that this was the first time he'd heard a president liken himself to a "crystalline mineral".
I believe that civilian and military legal authorities have proceeded with the same absolute rigidity-- or rigid absoluteness-- lauded by President Unitard in administering the vile travesty of Guantanamo and the other pathological jurisprudence attending the Global War on Terror.
So, while I don't dispute that the malignant authorities are keeping the prisoners in atrocious and inhumane conditions despite their obvious innocence simply because they can, I also think that they're doing it because they are committed to pursuing their criminal and barbaric conduct because of the top-down dictum to be like "calcium".
It is plain that where GWOT show trials are concerned, e.g. cases such as Omar Khadr and Sami Al-Arian, the authorities are determined to persecute individuals and create pretext after pretext-- denying, of course, that there is anything improper or unjustified, not to say vindictive, about this policy.
They are like those predators who lock their jaws so firmly into the flesh of their victims that they will not desist until they're physically cut away. Which is to say: monsters.
PS: ChillyDogg, when you're right, you're right! (It helps if readers actually read what people write, of course.)
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
