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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
I eagerly await today's troll award. And I think it's only fair to the awardees that you spell out the guidelines for selection. I'm wondering if it's purely executive authority or if it's a back-room deal or committee-driven choice.-- ethics_professor
In this instance I'm going to have to disagree with you, Ms Ethics. I don't want my two cents interjected into Jebbie's decision. I like having his decision posted based on whatever it is that he bases his decision on, without democratic input. I also look forward to and have so far enjoyed his choice of tunes, with which he backgrounds his decisions.
The Left can go Green.
The Democrats have about as much use for the Left as you do for my posts.
No offense intended.
As the passage of prop. 8 in California proves, not all the religious fanatics went running to the right wing.
There's an update
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No, I said "tutu". I know you know what I meant because I saw a picture of you on the web wearing one yourself:
http://www.tcreative.com/news/wp-content/uploads/tutu.jpg
What? That's not you??
Well, this isn't me either:
http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/5/5a/Ballerina.jpg
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like we (the alternative party supporters) were right, while the majority of voters were hoodwinked once again by the bipartisan corporatists.
Keep watching as hope for real change fades.
When will the people ever learn?
Well, this isn't me either:
http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/5/5a/Ballerina.jpg
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-- Pedinska
Yeah, she's taller than you. Other than that she looks about how imagine you look, ;o)
Please forgive me for this post. I was only kidding. I imagine you to be quite the cat's meow. ;o)
I share your anger.
In terms of commitment and dedication, such as that which you've shown in running down torture-related issues and cases, you're on your own.
I watch, admiringly, from the sidelines, cheering you on, along with so many others who are part of the problem, but with little stomach to be part of the solution.
So I should re-phrase: I share only your anger.
The proponents of Prop. 8 were good in their marketing and good at hiding their religious objections to gay marriage to the general public.
They didn't rail against the gays, they argued that teaching 1st graders about homosexuality would be wrong. Because we all know that when we talk about marriage we have to describe all the sexual acts that might be performed. That's why I don't want my grandkids to know about my marriage, especially the 4 year old. /sarcasm off
It's a BS argument, but it worked for many and the No on 8 people ran a pretty defensive campaign, not a proactive one.
I already know a few people that are now embarassed they voted Yes on 8. It sucks. In a couple of years, you may be hard pressed to find a majority of people that admit to ever having supported Prop. 8.
Here's where the cognitive dissonance is setting in for me. As you note:
As I indicated yesterday, I think a huge part of the problem is the top-down domination of the strictly-segregated Party caucuses, and thus the Congress, by Party Leadership.
It appears, from today's vote, that Obama is going to plug into this top-down system. The problem is that his campaign was successful precisely because he rejected that approach in building his ground game. The series of "on the ground" posts at fivethirtyeight.com documenting and comparing the McCain and Obama campaigns made very clear that the Obama approach of empowerment and distributed decision making was key to tapping into the huge desire on the part of the people to change our country. For example:
In Daytona Beach, where we found the Republican office closed and locked by 7:00 pm, the Democrats were busy, at the halfway point of the day's work. Trains of volunteers and organizers shuttled through the doors, preparing staging locations, prepping turf, and answering phone calls from voters with voting questions as late as 10 pm when we left. We hadn't planned to go all the way to Grayton Beach that night because we were exhausted, but the intensity of the effort in the Daytona Beach office inspired us. As with all Obama offices we've seen, there is an infectious, optimistic energy that feeds those present, and I drove until past 4 am with a clear eye after the Daytona Beach jolt.
Link:http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/on-road-i-4-corridor-florida.html
That's why I think you are on to something in your note to bystander:
We need to focus on creating a Resistance movement inside the Democratic caucus, or, if need be (as seems increasingly likely), outside both Party caucuses.
How ironic would it be if Obama has provided the training that is needed to achieve the change he now appears to resist?
I'm so disgusted with Democrats today. I still remember how awful it felt the day after the 2004 election when Bush said, "I have political capital and I intend to spend it." Obama could've set a huge example by banishing Lieberman to the Senate no-man's land. He'll probably still find a way to vote with President Bush once Obama is sworn in.
When will the people ever learn?-- normbreyfogle
Dang it! I knew I should have voted for Old Man Nader. Everything would be different now if only I had voted for Old Man Nader. Dang it!...as I shout and shake my fist at clouds.
Beats the hell out of me, Glenn. Joe Lieberman, of all people, * ... if the right jab don't get you, the left hook will.
I've had about enough of this 'left/right/L/C' nonsense. What, do I fucking look like I'm LEFT/liberal? ...No, i used a pack a gun, for goodness sakes alive!
bah.
ps. I doubt very much Obama 'was (or is) calling the shots.' ... right now.
First I shouted a curse word. Then I internalized the situation which prompted my tooth to start to ache. After lunch, I will call the dentist and ask her to fix that--and this--perhaps by using her drill without novocaine to produce a more acceptable pain than the one the Democrats have subjected us to today!
On election night, president-elect Obama said that if change is going to occur, all of us need to effect it. Well, I tried. I've stated to anyone who will listen that Joe is a traitor and deserves to be dumped. I wrote to my former senator and friend, Dick Durbin, and asked him to please, please, please, please not allow Lieberman to stay in that post! IT DID NO GOOD! And now I'm convinced that Obama's comments were merely hollow words designed to make us who worked for, donated to, and supported him feel like we had a stake in the future under a new president.
WE MEAN NOTHING! Our plea to censure Lieberman in a serious way is being ignored for the sake of maintaining the same old same old crap we've been suffering under for 8 years.
There is one thing, however, which could correct this injustice perpetrated upon the citizens who voted for change. President Obama, when he takes office, could eliminate that Dept. of Homeland Security and, thereby, eliminate the Senate committee that oversees it. The consolidation of all of those departments into the DHS was clearly a power grab by Dick Cheney anyhow. It's a fiasco that needs fixing just as much as the economy needs fixing.
If Obama truly wants to change things, there's a good place to make a change---plus save a lot of money in the process. And, also in the process, eliminate the committee so Joe will have nothing to chair except, perhaps, a subcommittee of lesser stature.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
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