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Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:00 AM

Post-partisan harmony vs. the rule of law

A clear consensus is emerging: Obama shouldn't jeopardize all the important things he has to do by investigating crimes committed by Bush officials.

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Friday, November 14, 2008 09:10 PM

YES!

I have read a few articles about this and have made a few comments about it as well. I agree, Obama has enough to do without doing this. the liberal illuminati have worked up a big agenda for obama and i don't think this should be on his priority list.

Friday, November 14, 2008 09:40 PM

Look Mom, I'm Clever!

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Friday, November 14, 2008 11:23 PM

Almost crimes?

@ saburai

"In other words, you're proposing something akin to a general revolution, led by prosecutors, in which significant portions of the Executive and Legislative branches--and military--are accused of multiple, capital offenses."

Why not? Is that not what the Constitution guarantees? A revolution guided by the rule of law? A revolution guided by the Constitution?

What makes you think that the "revolutionaries" in this country are guided by anything else? What makes you think that we want more than the rule of law and the protection of the minority against the tyranny of the majority?

Why do I sense the word "prosecutors" dripping off of your lips like a dirty word?

Why shouldn't "significant portions" of the executive and legislative branches and even *gasp* the military be prosecuted for crimes they actually commit? Why should those crimes not be investigated by professional prosecutors? Should they instead be investigated by political appointees? People beholden to the "commander" they serve and not the ideal?

What's the point, then? If those high enough to get away with it can just do what they will, then what the hell was the point of this country?

Saturday, November 15, 2008 07:06 AM

Constitutional Convention

A Constitutional convention is the only meaningful reform to our current government. Many issues can be resolved. But it must be initiated by the public as our leaders will not initiate due to conflict of interest.

First and foremost problem to be addressed, the selection process of choosing our governing officials.

Read my blog. Link @ signature. Demand constitutional reform from you Governors.

This quote is from an anti-federalist at the time of our last convention in 1787. It strangely sounds like the Bush administration to me.

"It is natural for men, who wish to hasten the adoption of a measure, to tell us, now is the crisis — now is the critical moment which must be seized, or all will be lost: and to shut the door against free enquiry, whenever conscious the thing presented has defects in it, which time and investigation will probably discover. This has been the custom of tyrants and their dependants in all ages."

Saturday, November 15, 2008 07:29 AM

Why does the incoming president have so many Real Important Things to do?

Because the previous president broke the law with impunity. We have a financial crisis because of crony capitalism. We have two wars because intelligence was cooked to fit the neo-con ideology. We have a reputation in tatters because the political class sanctioned gross violations of US and international law: torture, illegal detentions, etc.

We have a choice: we can go on cleaning up after lawbreaking political elites (which is what the Real Important Things of the let-bygoes-be-bygones crowd amount to), or we can break the cycle by stopping the problems at the source: by re-establishing the rule of law. This is the Most Important Thing To Do of All.

Saturday, November 15, 2008 10:45 AM

Beat Me, Bi-partisan Daddy, Eight to the Bar!

Now I see. If a person claims to be a humanitarian and a (small "r") republican, every time he opens his mouth in favor of civil rights or the rule of law he's just shilling for his clients.

When Christ gave his life to pay for our sins, He was just shilling for His clients.

Conservatives, you gotta love 'em.

Saturday, November 15, 2008 11:14 AM

All the research and work is already done!

No excuses: 1. Kucinich articles of impeachment and the

2. transcript from John Conyers's faux Judiciary Committee hearing on The Executive Branch's Abuse of Power which featured well-researched testimony about Bush Administration abuses from heavyweights including Bruce Fein, Vincent Bugliosi, Elisabeth Holtzman, Bob Barr, Fred Schwarz and Elliott Adams... (Google to see the full hearing on video)...

provide everything the Obama Administration and their staffers need, so it won't take a lot of time and he could announce it with other key initiatives at the same time. "Housecleaning". Get Patrick Fitzgerald to do it. Skip the Congress.

These criminals must pay and at the very least, they need to be very afraid.

Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:58 PM

Wish it all away

Neither party has had the any interest in the rule of law for decades. The betrayal on impeachment, was the most recent evidence of that.

By convention time, it was clear that the Democrats would work hard to sweep this under the rug (and you know the Republicans were all too willing).

The next hint was also an eye-opener, for me:

Since 2003 this nation has murdered over one million people for absolutely no reason whatsoever!

At least not a credible one. How did we get through a national election without having a conversation about this event?

Obama began signaling, by his comments about not wanting to "spend his first administration dealing with the last one", that he was willing to duck the whole mess. And so, Game over. Here is the political reality:

No sitting President is EVER going to willingly hold a previous one over for trial, no matter what they have done.

At least not within our current political party system. No one who survives that vetting process will have the integrity. They will also know that to do so would begin an endless round of vendettas, consuming their term in office.

What you will hear instead, should the matter threaten to consume airtime is this:

"For the good of our nation, and in light of the pressing... blah blah blah and to avoid partisan bickering... blah blah blah I hereby pardon everyone.

In 2002 only a handful in the admin, plus selected members of Congress, sworn to secrecy or jail, knew what we'd done. By the 2004 election, all of Congress knew it, and probably half the public. By the 2006 election this whole nation knew full well what had been done in out name.

When Congress refused to honor their oath, and we did nothing, we lost something precious. We can no longer point to any kind of "they" whatsoever. It is now We The People who have murdered a million, tortured thousands, and thrown away the protection of the rule of law for our children and grandchildren. We've allowed, and then supported the excuses offered by our members of Congress, "It's too disruptive.", "It's too much trouble."

Where now is our country's moral standing to object to anything, any other country does, while we pretend we did nothing?

Sixty years after their atrocities the German people are just now climbing out from the cloud they've lived with for "allowing" their government to "run wild". How long will we carry this burden?

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