Maybe some of the local lore they told young sysprog wasn't quite so.

A bit of googling indicates there's no absolute proof either way, but the nickname "Old Line" maybe didn't originate as a reference to the Mason-Dixon line, but quite possibly was originated (some say by George Washington) as a reference to the "Maryland Line" regiment in the Revolution.

But, but, but...it invalidates everything. Oh wait, the only thing moving Maryland does is soften McCain support in the "south".

Moving DC softens it even more since Obama polls 80-85% in DC but only a little over 60% in MD.

She told a bunch of other lies, too. Including some whoppers that are generally overlooked. They are documented in the wiki article. google troopergate.

But, but, but...it invalidates everything. Oh wait, the only thing moving Maryland does is soften McCain support in the "south".

BTW, is anyone besides me having trouble getting into Salon's main page? It has crashed my computer 2 times this morning and the only way I got here was via an old link to an GG article.

so yes, I've always known exactly where the "old line" is.

I showed a table of polling data, and the polling data footnote put Maryland in the Northeast, so that wasn't my decision, just me quoting a footnote. Maybe I should've put a footnote on the footnote. But this time I left the nitpicking as an exercise for the shooter.

The lion went hunting; but kept sitting down to scratch at a flea, and therefore went hungry.

(The lion was south of the Mason-Dixon line.)

I suppose I should cut Sysprog some slack here, not many Yankees know that the Mason-Dixon line is the northern border of Maryland.

The Late Great Unpleasantness isn't something to be proud of, pleased with, or continually referenced. Noting the geographical parameters of it leaves one to wonder about your real national loyalties.

I'm still waiting for you to answer the questions posed earlier. They're quite simple "Yes" or "No" ones. No one will think any less of you if you'd just try for a change.

Mark my words, with the Democrats in control the world won't turn around (at best it'll pause for a moment before it continues as before), the criminals responsible for the present biggest theft in the history of mankind will not be impeached or prosecuted, they will not face justice, and any changes will be cosmetic at best.

Even on as progressive a site as this, filled with all these brilliant people, almost all of you refuse to see the stark, hard truth: both parties are mere propaganda fronts for corporate thieves, for greedy upper crust parasites. Obama, the politically powerful left, and the Democrats are there only to step into "power" when we've all finally gotten too angry to go on obediently. They're there to mollify us now that the corporate thieves have financially raped our families. Their function is to gently persuade us to allow the thieves to get away with their crimes, scott free and more wealthy than ever before!

Look how Obama speaks: "Now is not the time for finger-pointing, now is not the time for division, now is the time for us to pull together to survive this hardship." Right: now is not the time for justice; now is not the time to impeach and jail some of the biggest criminals in human history. Now is instead the time to let the criminals get away, filthy rich and scott free; now is the time for we the victims of this immoral white collar crime to merely scrape along without getting back any of what was stolen from us, now is the time to try to rebuild our lives until the time when we once again have enough for the same criminal types (mostly relatives of the original crooks) to steal from us once again ... and they'll get away with it next time, too!

As much as I want to disagree with this sentiment, and as much as I hope it will not come to pass, and as much as I'll do my part to not let it happen, I really think this is what we have to look forward to.

Man I hope I'm wrong.

Lying about sex? — a firing offence

I thought you were a lawyer, or are you just being obtuse here? The point is that if you are going to accept lying from Democrats you're going to have to accept lying from Republicans. If you are going to accept unethical behavior from Democrats, you are going to have to accept unethical behavior from Republicans. Which part of that are you having trouble with?

As for Clinton, he lied under oath, something all the other references did not. Like Libby that's criminal. But unlike Libby, (and so like Democrats,) Clinton didn't give up his job.

It's not perfectly legal for some yahoo to burn my American flag or to burn my campaign sign.

Which part of my concern about tresspass didn't you understand? C'mon bud, get with the program.

Northeast: DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA,CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ

I suppose I should cut Sysprog some slack here, not many Yankees know that the Mason-Dixon line is the northern border of Maryland.

Yes, Dixie's different.

http://dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/10/13

Polling Data for October 13, 2008

MCCAIN / OBAMA / BARR / NADER / OTHER / UND
28 64 2 2 1 3 NORTHEAST
53 39 2 1 1 4 SOUTH
38 54 2 2 1 3 MIDWEST
39 53 2 2 2 2 WEST

Northeast: DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA,CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ
South: FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR
Midwest: IL, MN, MI, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, IN, ND, SD, OK, TX, NE, CO
West: NM, CA, OR, WA, AK, HI, MT, ID, UT, NV, AZ, WY

Naomi Klein was in Austin last night, and spoke extensively on the financial crisis and the critical time we are now in, as the "financial plan" is becoming operationalized by US and other governments.

If one looks at the plan's "conflict of interest" provisions alone, there is great cause for alarm. The bidding firms are being allowed to make their own--internal--conflict of interest determinations.

I suggest she'd make a good radio guest, as her message needs as wide an audience as possible, as quickly as possible.