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Porn producer invokes the Bush/Yoo defense -- unsuccessfully Citizens who produce fictitious films depicting "humiliation" and "degradation" will be sent to prison. Government officials who do that in reality will be immunized.
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  • In America, sadomasochism is only considered illegal ..

    ..If someone gets a boner.

  • Second Impression

    Glenn,

    Since I'm not an advertising executive or a producer of political commercials, I really don't care -- in general (with some exceptions) about the "framing" of arguments. I'm interested in whether arguments are true -- not whether they can be reduced to 10-second sound bites and featured on Chris Matthews.

    I take your point. However, I would argue that it is legitimate to consider framing when discussing the effectiveness of an argument, irrespective of the negative connotation the word "framing" may evoke.

    I don't think it is unreasonable to question the claim that the manner in which the USDOJ treats arguments for leniency made by a producer of sadomasochistic videos may not be analogous to the way it treated arguments made by those charged with mistreatment of detainees suspected of terrorism.

  • My comment is about trying to discern How Do Beat DoJ/W.H. remain in power? War is Porn.

    Blood. Red bodies soaked in blood. Gashes. Torn flesh. Gasping. Choking in blood.

    Bodies shredded by weapons that stuffs the pockets the Wall Street Arm Merchants.

    I am not focusing my mind on those nude, lewd, or persons who link to porn sites.

    I personally do not./War is imagery of red blooded bodies sprawled awkwardly dead.

    My position is similar to others who dig deeply into human nature. War. Body fluids.

    I mean in war... GawK? What you see makes you gag. And you know it's sadistic Porn ABERRANT. Aberration. Who can fathom? Why call DoJ? JUSTICE? No Justice. No honor people do people see in the aberrant DoJ. zilch.

    Send the whole war promoters to a Prison.

    The THERAPY rule. no hugging in groups?

    I mean the Rehab-Therapy. O Flush toilet.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I'd rather link to Veterans of war Memorial Day Sales.

    huh. Mattress discount sales are bargains~Buy a blood red soaked mattress, pillow, and sheets.

    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,Used, and defiled, all the Recycles (linen) from The Department of Justice.

    ~~

    ,,, Bush said, "the deaths in the war will be viewed as a ',' ,,, comma some day by historians." Well, or a coma. a coma, a coma, a coma, a serve injury, a wrong. a ABERRANT. a rant. gads comma!

    betcha the DoJ is their best porn-visitor.

  • Hear Hear

    The acts Little engages are quite repulsive to most people. But given that they appear to have been consensual, I see no grounds for prosecution. If he was sexually abusive or coercive, then that's another story, and he should be prosecuted accordingly. As Glenn states, if there was any evidence of sexual crimes, he almost certainly would (and should) have been prosecuted differently.

    These sorts of cases expose one of the rifts within the feminist community - between those who truly want to allow women complete control over their bodies, and those who instead work towards forcing women to behave as they believe a liberated woman should behave. The latter group represents essentially the polar opposite of conservative women's groups, who believe that women should be submissive to men. Rather, these "feminists" believe that women should be free to do as they please, unless they choose to play roles they perceive as submissive or degrading. In that case, they should be prevented from playing those roles. Not very rational ideologically, in my opinion. It strikes me as a variant of feminism that has more in common with nationalism (nation being replaced with gender) than it does with actually protecting a woman's right to live however she chooses.

  • Were National Security Letters used in this investigation?

    Well? I'm sure they've been used in drug convictions.

  • The full poem...

    This poem has often come to mind when reading UT. I finally dug it up for hopefully everyone's amusement.

    The God Enki, to It, on informing him he will be keeping the Mes from humanity

    (by John Myers Myers, from "The Moon's Fire Eating Daughter")

    If ever you venture to gamble, my boy

    Eschew as the grave any innocent games

    Where nothing's at stake but the fun of the ploy.

    Such trifling with riches society blames

    As heinous, while leaping to honor the names

    Of felon endeavorers, clever to throw

    Their ropes upon juicy imperial aims,

    For power's as pure as impeccable snow.

    Be chary of stealing, if needing the loot;

    That's vulgar, and rightly a gallows offense.

    But wealth is a touchstone adept to transmute

    Despicable crimes to proceedings of sense:

    Historians purr when a theft is immense

    Who'd scorn to applaud if the winnings are low;

    For poverty's granted no moral pretense

    While power's as pure as impeccable snow.

    The chasm that yawns between maker and man

    Is simple for any inquirer to spell:

    For gods there exists no morality ban

    On following purposes selfish as fell.

    They'll fry you alive for their joy in your yell

    (All torts they perform without menace of woe),

    And lose of their holiness never a del,

    Since power's as pure as impeccable snow.

    You're cooked, if you're mortal and minus the pelf,

    To bail out your soul with a temple or so,

    For this is the dictum on deity's shelf:

    'Yea, power's as pure as impeccable snow.'

  • @ sutungpo

    My Internet search skills are fairly good, but I could not find substantiation of your claims either through Google or Google News.

  • All Films

    I'm unaware of the nuances of this case, but the argument that convicted these folks, taken in broadly, would also open prosecution of, well, just about 70% of all entertainment films made in Hollywood, wouldn't it?

    How would the popular "Saw" franchise avoid a conviction for their creation(s) if this ruling becomes the new standard?

  • Classic Projection

    This is about the gazillionth example of GOP projection; once again punishing others for the evil within themselves. Although I loved Jack Hughes line about, shall we say, "the boner test" to judge the legality of sadism, I think in this case it probably isn't correct. I think that Lynndie England's notorious boyfriend clearly was turned on by torture, as is the GOP 'base."

    I think a better test would be that torture is okay, as long as only they get to do it.

    Sadism, like money and power, are only dangerous when they fall into the wrong hands.

  • ... boner.

    Often a erection from the groin on a dead victim.

    You ill will go to ask ~ Dead men laying in pools.

    Blood pool. Soaked red in blood with a "boner".

    A hung man, hung from a hanging tree, does.

    Maybe it's a last statement. A rises of a groin.

    a middle finger raised, anti-kill, 0 people ill.

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