For the record, I think Amy's arrest took place far away from where all this happened, so, be prepared, this was an entirely different event.

Derbig: You can't outparty me.

-- The Plate

In regards to the rest of your post that I haven't quoted here--you keep explaining the same stuff over and over for some reason. I, and probably everyone else, heard you the first time.

As for Goodman and what you photographed being in different places--I've never figured otherwise. I mean, it's possible that the two events took place in close proximity, but that has at no time had anything to do with my opinion of what you photographed or your narration about what you photographed and filmed.

"Little Brother, go f*ck your pompous little hand."-- The Plate

What I want to know Little Brother, is how the heck you can get it up when your hand is acting all pretentious and full of itself. What a turn-off! I always make mine into a pleasant but dumb blond.

Listen, The Plate - Just because he's Little Brother doesn't mean he has a little hand. I think you're taking license, Plate.

What planet have you been on for the last forty years or so?

Chicago 68, Kent State, COINTELPRO, Waco, Ruby Ridge, MOVE in Philadelphia, innumerable incredibly violent police shootings of unarmed people, Abner Louima, Seattle WTC.. I could go on virtually without end, this stuff just rolled off my fingertips. Jesus X Christ on a dayglo pogo stick, they did this to a MAYOR just a few weeks ago.

Even in freakin' Canada the police got nailed using agents provocateur, do you really think that American police are less likely to do something like that than Canadian ones?

If you weren't expecting and anticipating this level of reaction from the cops you are either unbelievably naive or a total idiot, take your pick.

I think she was saying, "roister doister."

I just lost my first draft so if this is old news by now I apologize. While I don't know if rubber bullets were used in St. Paul, Mpls. cops were certainly given the okay by the Minneapolis City Council.

http://www.wakemag.org/blogs/politics_for_the_hell_of_it/mpls-city-council-committee-oks-rubber-bullet-use-on-protesters-if-necessary/

Sorry, I don't know how to condense.

A June 20th proposal put forth by Green Party council member Cam Gordon to ban the use of rubber bullets at RNC protest events was severly amended by the time the provision was passed in July. The amendments (condensed version):

- MPD presence at events will be based on public safety concerns, not intent to chill First Amendment rights.

- Mpls. cops will not use pepper spray, tear gas or projectiles (read: rubber bullets) - except in situations where use of force is necessary.

- MPD officers will not confiscate, destroy or tamper with cameras or other recording devices being used to document MPD enforcement actions. This shall not apply to situations in which a) cameras and recording devices are to be used as evidence, or b) MPD officers arrest an individual in possession of camera or r.d.

I guess they had no chioce but to arresr those I-Witness folks.

I didn't get down to the Capitol until between 2:30 and 3:00 this afternoon, and not to get all cute and fuzzy, but what I saw post-march was such a cool scene. Very ornate and clever signs and costumes, lots of amateur entertainment for the crowd, a real poditive vibe. Damn.

Casual_observer, thank you for the link to Klobuchar and the reminder to call on Ryback.

John M.

Maybe you can out-party me, I'm getting on in years. But at least I never had and never would refer to anybody as a "punk goofball". As soon as I read it, I earwormed "What's the Matter With Kids Today" from Bye-bye, Birdie.

Kids, with their crazy dances and ROCK AND ROLL

Why can't they be like we were,

perfect in every way!

Oh, What the Matter With Kids, To-day

In the youtube of her arrest, Amy Goodman says something that ends "....from the convention floor". What was she saying?

I should have my Rand McNally road atlas out so I have a better sense of who was where .... I gather the "main" antiwar demonstration went very well and was well attended ... I'm not sure where the confrontations, pepper spray/tear gas, rubber bullets were ...

I read that the windows of the Macy's Department store were smashed ...

It's hard to applaud such things. During the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, my coworkers who lived in South Central said they didn't recognize any of the rioters/looters they saw ...

There are always gonna be bad-ass wannabes in search of a banner to do "shit" under ...

i've noticed several other posts here which have taken th' position that not all th' facts are known yet...

this one thing is clear...

amy goodman is a commited small 'd' democracy activist...

change th' system by participation...

100% pacifist...

i've seen water with more malevolent nature than ms. goodman

It looked more like a 10k run/walk, except for the Darth Vaders. And, who was AP's source - the police maybe?

So they broke some shit. Good for them! Not many people will take that risk, even if it is foolish, to draw attention to things. Plate, you say lots of them are vets. Are you saying they don't have the right to break a few windows after what was done to them?

Also, these type of demonstrations, if they turn nasty, are a perfect diversion for that "inevitable" terrorist attack. But it never comes, does it? Boy, I bet Bristol Palin wishes she could stave off the inevitable. But only we seem able to.

The demonstrations turned nasty? Good. And won't it be fun when it's sorted out who, besides Amy Goodman (may she be alright) got arrested. It might just be the issue of some affluential people.

...and it showed Amy Goodman interfering with officers who were arresting the two Democracy Now! producers.

And what earthly reason would the the officers have to arrest the two Democracy Now! producers? You want me to believe they were rioting, or causing a disruption, or even demonstrating?