A lot of discussion about Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy. Here is the best analysis I have found.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/mitchell/1139356,CST-NWS-mitch02.article

That is, her logic is his: the 1% doctrine, basically.

By her logic, if 1 ID is false, then all IDs are false; if 1 citizen is a noncitizen, then no citizens are true citizens; if one person is a terrorist, then all persons are terrorists. Thus, if 1 noncitizen with a fake ID is a terrorist, then all citizens with true IDs are terrorists.

In a "security" context, this logic defines fascism.

...when dealing with jack-booted thugs.

Folks, it is time to OPEN OUR EYES and see the raging, rampaging fascist state we have BECOME! Simply because armed thugs with badges assault and arrest you does NOT mean you are guilty!

I've met Ms. Goodman and she is a very brave and very honest person. What was done to her and her compatriots was a clearly CRIMINAL act and should not be allowed to pass uncontested!

and we should end this conversation because i seem to be the wrong person to talk to you -

perhaps you should talk to the poster who wrote:

To those comparing this to the Olympics in China, etc., all I can say is that you have no clue what you are talking about. I lived in China for 5 years, and while some of these police tactics (and the media) are reminiscent of some tactics used by the Chinese police (and media), the comparison breaks down quickly.

The protesters arrested in St. Paul will not be in a labor camp for the next two years where they would be tortured on a daily basis -- and Glenn and the others who have put videos of these events online would be joining them. That is not quite the same as being arrested for a few hours because a cop told you not to cross some imaginary line and you didn't listen.

I am not trying to minimize the seriousness of what the police/FBI are doing here -- much of it is deplorable -- but get a little perspective.

Because if you don't get a little perspective you might find yourself one day in a crowd of international students in Germany and you will say : America is a Police State, America is a Police State and these kids might start laughing and you sound like somebody who wants to be taken seriously - Right -

The protests were anticipated to include upwards of 50,000 people.

Anticipated by whom?

The same people, maybe, who deliberately minimize protest head counts on the National Mall?

Minimal reporting of governmental tactics in Minneapolis?

That's because the actions of the government over the past seven years render this weekend's precipitous activities of monitoring, disrupting and even arresting persons who had not actually protested anything yet little more than "preventive maintenance," while overzealous repression of protests themselves becomes just "what they deserved."

This is a government which George W. Bush has driven to eavesdrop and wiretap in violation of Federal law and the Constitution; to suspend habeas corpus; to detain individuals and hold them without charge; to torture those suspected (not convicted, suspected) of "bad" things; to openly populate the prosecutorial ranks with like-minded political hacks whose loyalty to the Leader is more important than loyalty to the Constitution; and to proclaim that those engaging in any of the above actions cannot and will not be prosecuted so long as a Bush administration lawyer wrote a memo telling them to do it. All while fostering a climate of irrational fear and demand for fanatical, unquestioning deference to such tactics.

Glenn and those seeking to report what's happening on the ground in Minneapolis are doing the country a great service, but the MSM's failure to peel any of the layers is unfortunately but certainly less surprising now that it would have been even eight years ago. Morally bankrupt, yes, but moral bankruptcy is old news where the government of the United States is concerned.

Objecting to what is going on in Minneapolis may be a moral imperative, but objecting effectively is more problematic.

How about at least registering a present and continuing objection to the travesty and immorality of George W. Bush's occupancy of the position of President of the United States? The crap we are seeing in Minnesota, and the fact that it is being treated like "business as usual" by the msm, is directly traceable to Bush and his minions' evisceration of the United States Constitution.

Sign Rep. Kucinich's current petition, seeking to present a million signatures to Nancy Pelosi on September 10, 2008 -- the eve of the anniversary of the event which Bush argues has rendered quaint and irrelevant the principles of our Constitution -- again demanding that action be taken to impeach this criminal.

Look, if you're reading this post you're probably already on a list. Make it worthwhile. Stand up for the Constitution.

http://kucinich.us/

Cops estimate 10,000, newspapers like Star Tribune, without doing any real count of their own, estimate 10,000, organizers estimate 30,000. I think it was below 30,000 but above 10,000 - perhaps 25,000. Minneapolis is really in the middle of nowhere geographically, so that only a massive show of force from cities like Madison, Milwaukee and Chicago can up our numbers.

Chicago did turn out - Teamsters and Steelworkers, but I don't think the massive amount of buses that would have been needed made the trek. As a Minneapolitan who has gone to Chicago numerous times for political events, Chicago was the key to making this a bigger event. I am not aware, except for the unions, of what organizations sent buses from Chi Town, or Milwaukee, or Mad City.

Thanks for responding. Let's start with the idea that some 50,000 activists were expected at the RNC. Where does that number come from? Is it not possible that the number of expected activists was artificially inflated by the establishment in order to justify a police presence way beyond what was actually necessary?

As for your, "should we not agree that such and such doing such and such should be arrested", well, I do not agree. I don't care if Glenn thinks some people should be arrested for such and such, I do not think these people should be arrested. I think these activists are attempting to show you, I and anyone who will listen that the state of corruption, surveillance, militarism and hate is too much to bare any more, and sometimes some windows need to be broken in order to make this point. How ironic, thinks I, that hundreds of innocents can be bombed in some village in Afghanistan because a single supposed terrorist guy was said to have been in the village at some point but some truly involved, active americans cannot break a window or two in order to protest the atrocities that are perpetuated upon them and in their name.