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Monday, September 1, 2008 12:00 AM

Scenes from St. Paul -- Democracy Now's Amy Goodman arrested

Scores of people are tear-gassed. At least 250 people are arrested. And St. Paul is as militarized a scene as one will see in an American city.

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Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:07 AM

hey jim galt

that's what protesters do. They aren't polite. They don't say excuse me but your in my space. The bush regime is crap and we are the only ones that can do anything about it. The msm won't talk about it until the majority are affected. The vietnam war didn't end until the majority's kids were being drafted. My number was 8. This crap won't end until the majority is affected. No, it's not a lie. No, it is true. Yes, your govenment sucks. Yes, if you don't wake up you'll be in hitlers germany. A bit strong? The radicals only got away with it because the regular folk couldn't believe it until it was way too late. Are you willing to die for your neighbor?......

Read the book "For those I Loved". Are you willing to do that or in the end does your opinion not matter?

"oh, my government wouldn't do that". You idiot. Get out of your house and look at reality.

Geez, people get get me excited and pissed off. Why do I care?.....

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:10 AM

One reporter's interesting account.

http://www.slate.com/id/2199060

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:14 AM

Ass-sucking MSM types v. the independent media

Mayor Coleman and Chief Harrington held a press conference, which Greenwald attended.

He mentions that the independent media people asked the tough, skeptical questions, while the MSM types sucked the officials' asses.

Any doubt about what kind of "press" we have in this country?

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:24 AM

See the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. Please.

"Mass show of peaceful dissent soon makes violent descent."

Bolstered by emergency help from the National Guard, police in St. Paul arrested 284 people after outbreaks of violence and road obstructions linked to rogue bands of demonstrators among an otherwise peaceful throng estimated at 10,000.

http://www.startribune.com/

Yes, the Burma strategy in action. If you don't know about the Burma strategy (taught to General Than Shwe by the British), you can read about it - in the foreign press:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2525171.ece

Buddhist monks leading the demonstrations called for discipline amid rumours that plain-clothes policemen were posing as monks. Identified as “white heads” – because their recently shaved heads are still unbrowned by the sun – protestors feared that the police were planning to stir up violence among the marchers as a pretext for a bloody government crackdown.

Same story - peaceful non-violent protests disrupted by random bands of unknown individuals who attacked police in order to provoke a violent response. A scripted piece of theater, with plenty of cameras on hand to capture the result.

http://www.startribune.com/featuredColumns/27749349.html

Campos, 22, wore something more, too: An Iraq Campaign Medal worn by veterans of the war. "I was for the war before," he said as the Xcel Energy Center loomed into view. "Then I went over there and totally became against this war. There is absolutely no reason we should be in Iraq."

Oh, and the Democracy Now team does really poor journalism, I'm sorry, but it's sensationalist and poorly sourced and usually has very little good background. Take a look at Al Jazeera's Inside USA if you want to see what good journalism looks like.

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:27 AM

to contact people that will care

The number of the pr person is chock full of messages. The mayor don't care. That's her job.

Phone: 651.266.8535 --this is number for Mayor Chris Coleman's PR person.

You'll see that that 35 are the last two digits. Randomly select others and you'll get through to joe blow. Leave a message with them.......They'll be talking about it all day;)...

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:40 AM

oh the horror -

not about the demonstrations - because where I live right now the average unruly soccerfan produces more damage and more confusion, than what I saw in all these videos. - And not about the Police - because you guys should see the French or Italian Police in action, when they break up 'peaceful demonstration'. And I have walked in demonstration and I never quite understood the brain dead reactionaries who complained about the 'upheavel of asozial elements' and the brain dead reaction on the other side - where policeman where 'pigs' and 'the Fascist State showed its ugly face' -

But now I get it - you put on a wonderful show - if I only would be Mel Brooks I could

get a musical out of it.

There would be all my friends on the left side singing 'Police state' – 'Police state' and on the right there would be some elephants stomping their feet and a guy named plate shows up and even a very reasonable writer like RMP - who just had complained about all the doomsdaysayers feels the need to protect the 'left' against somebody who is also on the 'left' or perhaps not or a 'provocateur' or (fill in whatever you want) ! And there is ondolette,

who doesn't know at all what i am talking about - just back from her trip to a real Police State and telling the folks at home its okay to use the ‘Police state vocabulary’ because ‘its better to rouse the populace early than late’ – and I flabbergasted and amazed because ialways thought my side was so much smarter than the other one -

Tuesday, September 2, 2008 12:45 AM

Amity...

I don't know who you're directing this to, but this straw man thing gets pretty stale. To people like you and Sean Hannity, there are only two ways to think. That is, if you are liberal, then anyone who doesn't have the same ideas as you is a piggish neocon, and if you are a neocon, then everybody who differs from you is the enemy. You reduce nuance to a contrivance that only the un-serious would dabble in.

The fact that some people, because of race, class, gender or life experience, may see things slightly differently, even while believing in the same fundamentals is just inconceivable to you.

If you only knew how unconvincing this kind of thing is. It reminds me, and I assume most people, of arguing with their little sister. At best ten percent of the electorate listens to either side. The left wing and the right wing just have the same shrill sound to them. There are people out there with dying relatives, who just lost their jobs, or are ill and poor, who have been violated in one of the daily mundane violations of civil rights that occur outside of the purview of political demonstrations. The left should be their logical ally. But all they hear is you screaming at them, on top of all their problems.

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