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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
Isn't this conspiracy to riot writ large? Waiting to confront a large mob that has violence in mind is the height of stupidity and dangerous to all involved. Which I think is what you have in mind. Tsk. -- shooter242
Reading 'conspiracy' into damn near everything non-GOP activists say?
What are you, shooter242? The reincarnation of Richard Milhous Nixon?
These raids may well prove superfluous at any rate. Gustav has been upgraded to Category 4 hurricane, and is projected now to be a Cat-5 by the time it makes landfall.
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/text/refresh/MIATCPAT2+shtml/302053.shtml
Doubtless the GOP will be re-thinking its conventional schedule.
... because they were targeting hippies and lefties:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
--Pastor Martin Niemöller, on the silence of the majority when the Nazis started purging their enemies.
You're next, shooter, cat vs. something, et al. Maybe not now or tomorrow, but in an America no longer free, who knows?
I wasn't trying to be a smarty pants. I see what's happening in America as a virus that can spread to the whole of western democracy.-- bloomsbury
I read your post that I excerpted the quote from. I see that you were speaking to those who are in denial.
Excuse me but these raids are not "Gestapo Like" they are the real thing by the "American Gestapo". You know, those friendly guys in black who are sworn to "serve and protect". This is not the exception to the rule, this is the rule. You will find this type of police activity in every city in America. They do not think they are above the law; they truly are above the law. There is absolutely nothing that will happen to these cops. There will be no criminal charges filed, civil charges will be stonewalled and then if there is a judgement against these cops it will be paid by the very taxpayers they daily abuse. They're bullies with a badge, and sorry to say it, but wake up America, your "Bill of Rights" has been shredded and there is not a damn thing you can do about it. The POLICE STATE is already here.
I usually don't make this armed populace argument that the NRA gun nuts make, but I will this time. Would such a thing occur here in Texas? I think the cops would be a lot more careful about invading the houses.
In Texas, last I checked, once a cop uses excessive force, the standards for self-defense against a cop are the same as against a private individual. And here in Texas, against an intruder in a house, there is no duty to retreat before using deadly force. If the law were followed, it would be considered justified homicide if the officers were mowed down Rambo-style.
I think that there may be a huge case for a class-action RICO civil-rights lawsuit. And when conspiracy is alleged, one doesn't have to identify the precise actors -- all are guilty of a crime one unidentifiable officer commits.
Could St. Paul in 2008 be Chicago 1968 redux, turning into what the official Walker Report described as a "police riot." That certainly worked well for the party in power.
When Jefferson and his fellow "conspirators" first began to have discussions about the need for independence for the colonies, they met in taverns ....... where the ambient noise prevented their conversations from being heard .....
Had today's electronic gear been available at that time, our flag would likely be the Union Jack.
catch 22.
Quote:
"Anyone affiliated with that group should expect in a post-9/11 environment an excessively robust police response as a matter of fact that this is just the way our government now functions."
Probably what the British said post-Boston Tea Party .....
So now we're worried about a handful of noisome, possibly obnoxious lefties as a terrorist threat? Is that the best product of our enhanced, post-9/11 intelligence systems?
Land of the free and home of the brave, anyone?
It's literally as simple as this. When the most fundamental and cherished laws and principles of our republic are allowed to be violated at all levels of government (and, clearly, beyond, in the corporatocracy that actually runs the country) by those whose job it is to enforce them--and it's clearly not just far-right Repubs that I'm talking about here, or Repubs entirely--this is what you get, a horrific abuse of power in which egregiously unlawful force has the full effective weight of actual law, because there's no one left who's actually enforcing the latter.
Thank you, Diane.
Thank you, Chuck.
Thank you, Pat.
Thank you John.
Thank you, Harry.
Thank you, Nancy.
Sternly-worded letters to follow, maybe a mock hearing or two?
Of course, at least we have the establishment media making sure that this gets full and fair coverage and the huge public outrage that is sure to ensue.
Yeah, right. The eedjut soccer mommification and NASCAR dadification of the country is nearly complete, where so long as YOU are doing relative ok or unaffected by some issue or scandal, it might as well not exist. Republicans might be being rejected, but not RepublicanISM.
Establishment Dems are as responsible for this as are Repubs, and perhaps even more so, because they're supposed to be smarter and know better, and have stood up to it. As if.
Until they prove otherwise, the establishment Dems who are poised to take over the federal government are only marginally better than the establishment Repubs whom they're replacing.
Oh, wait, stoopid me. First we show unity and shut up with our dissent, to win an election, and then everything will be made ok once we're back in power, just like magic and cute little fairies and ponies. Sorry, I should have known better. Never mind. Reality doesn't matter.
Better we make nice than be accused of being far-left radical fringe hippy loonies.
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Once seen as a lunatic fringe, reactionary anti-women groups are courting respectability
Salon headlines in your mailbox
