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It seems to me that the consensus is that what the police are doing, were it targeted at nonviolent protesters, would be clearly out-of-line and disgusting. Rutherford admit as much, and I think this probably goes without saying for many people. (Of course, some think this kind of police activity is justified because they think that protest of any kind is unacceptable; that protest is carried out to a large extent by carried out by people they dislike makes excessive force even more acceptable in their view. You can find such sentiments by looking at the Star-Tribune comment section for this story. But that's what what we're talking about here.) But I think you and Glenn are talking past each other. Glenn is focusing on the action taken against the nonviolent groups, but Rutherford focuses on the special case of the RNCWC. Concerning the RNCWC, Rutherford thinks this kind of police activity is understandable (though unacceptable), whereas Glenn would say that it's not understandable. Is that a fair assessment of the discussion?