You should bottle that. That summary of the state of "televised news shows" strikes me as gestaltingly clear.

Of course, at least having Maddow on will be fun while it lasts, I suspect. And when they take her show away, let's hope it's only because there's less outrage selling soap because there's less neocon bullshit in our faces. That, I fear, may turn in no small degree on whether "Maturity" is sufficiently atypical or there really are many more like that out there.

When wrestling was found to have scripted the results (long known by any casual observer) they got into trouble due to calling themselves a "sport." It is now referred to as "Entertainment." Their problem was solved with a name change.

I see no problem with the "news shows" doing the same thing. Just call them what they are, "Entertainment News." The viewer will not expect to have unbiased reporting on entertainment news shows.

In fact, I sometimes watch Fox just for the entertainment value. When you need a good laugh, just tune into Fox Entertainment News, it will brighten your day!

Media critique and issue/campaign concerns about my party's presumptive nominee are "sour grapes"!? The left has become just as truthy and bullying as the right, and that just kills me. Lefties are now chanting "get over it" to fellow Democrats just like so many little Scalias.

And you're going to cite DailyKos, whose official policy was that it didn't have to be "fair" to Hillary Clinton, as an example of balance?

I love Digby, but she's been standing on her head to find a way to feel good about Obama, including one column that amounted to "at least he's black," and another where she said "At this point I don't care if Obama flips on every single issue, I will do everything I can to see this jackass (McCain) defeated."

Don't you think said example is more damning of your university than of the student? That is, how could a young person who has so little knowledge of history that they don't know of the existance of such former place, enroll there to begin with?

"Sorry, you were played by the news media and the Obama camp..."

Maybe so. It's been known to happen. Regardless, thanks for the comment.

Despite his often piercing and on-point questions ...

Yeah, God forbid we have any of THAT in the media ....

I get only one NPR radio station that only carries the morning and evening news so I cannot speak to the other new programs available on radio which, in my past experience, are often excellent and more in depth.

Do you have an Internet connection? There are lots and lots of public radio stations that have an Internet feed, and in any event, most NPR shows have archives of past shows. Check out http://www.publicradiofan.com/

Your sense of humor is much better than mine. I find Fox News is very disturbing . Someone a page back (MikeNY?) expressed something similar about entertainment value. But it is more than that. It is propaganda. It serves the interests of those who own the media, as well as making a profit. Sometimes the desire to fill a niche and make a better profit brings in a liberal, but that is unusual.

And you're going to cite DailyKos, whose official policy was that it didn't have to be "fair" to Hillary Clinton, as an example of balance?

-- vastleft

I didn't "cite" Dailykos having anything to do with "fair" or "balanced" in regards to this conversation. I was simply informing you that the wars about both candidates raged on day after day at dailykos. Which, by the way, should tell you that Dailykos doesn't speak with one voice, meaning that they didn't have an "official policy" about bashing or praising Hilary Clinton.

You continue to be ridiculous. I don't know what causes you to be so either dishonest or blind in your attempts to call everyone else dishonest, but you're hiding your one track take well at all.

not hiding.

The hacks over at Corrente, where vastleft is an esteemed Senior Fellow, had no problem insinuating that the Obama campaign was a little like the Nazis (see http://www.correntewire.com/lets_brush_up_on_our_german). I recommend vastleft clean up his/her little corner of the web before accusing others of not being "honest and fair".

anyone who thinks Gregory is a liberal obviously doesn't remember him doing back-up to Karl Rove's act. The man is as pathetic as he is narcissistic, second only to Tucker Carlson.

Despise Rachel Maddow?

Despise?

Despise???

Wow. I see you are concerned.

I for one am thrilled! Go Rachel! Er, Dr. Maddow that is. My father and step-mom just discovered her too, and they are thrilled. Everyone I know is thrilled. This is great news for the amorphous sludge that is regular cable TV punditry. A diamond in the rough, a pearl before the swine as it were.

Also, I hope she has you on her show, Glenn.

Once again, congratulations Dr Maddow. Look forward to seeing your show!

Excuse me, but is there really such a thing on American television anymore? Maybe in a few pockets if you look hard enough. But on commercial television? Gimme a break.

And what is this? Now that the near monopoly on commentary television (which is what passes for news today) held by the extreme right is being challenged a bit (and only because there's a perception that maybe there's money to be made from the other side of things), we are seeing the end of journalism? Hardly.

Go watch the movie "Network". Back when it was contemporary fiction, satire and social commentary, one looked, laughed and probably said, "Well, it will never go that far..." But today?

It looks like a dull rendering of today's electronic newsroom. One of my kids asked me if the movie was supposed to be saying something.

Chilling. And sad.

anyone who thinks Gregory is a liberal obviously doesn't remember him doing back-up to Karl Rove's act. The man is as pathetic as he is narcissistic, second only to Tucker Carlson.-- hploughjogger

A liberal? Hell, he's practically a revolutionary.

He dug a foxhole in the Rose Garden and declared war on the White House He’s a political assassin with a time-slot. He’s a special-ops commando on a mission against the status quo. He’s Che Guevara with a microphone. He’s the one-man Red Brigade of the Beltway. He’s the Tom Joad of cable. He’s Robespierre wothout the French-sounding name. He reminds me of Zapata - not a little but alotta.

He swims against the tide. He runs up the down staircase. He’s so far out of the mainstream he’s off the alluvial plain. He flies in the face of authority and spits into the wind. He’s so free and radical he has to take a bath in antioxidants.

He’s the tungsten steel monkey wrench shoved into the works. He’s the burr under the saddle of political complacency. He’s the Tsetse fly in their ill-gotten ointment. He’s the African bee in their war-bonnet.

David Gregory, he's all that and more.