anyone who thinks Gregory is a liberal obviously doesn't remember him doing back-up to Karl Rove's act. The man is as pathetic as he is narcissistic, second only to Tucker Carlson.

The hacks over at Corrente, where vastleft is an esteemed Senior Fellow, had no problem insinuating that the Obama campaign was a little like the Nazis (see http://www.correntewire.com/lets_brush_up_on_our_german). I recommend vastleft clean up his/her little corner of the web before accusing others of not being "honest and fair".

not hiding.

And you're going to cite DailyKos, whose official policy was that it didn't have to be "fair" to Hillary Clinton, as an example of balance?

-- vastleft

I didn't "cite" Dailykos having anything to do with "fair" or "balanced" in regards to this conversation. I was simply informing you that the wars about both candidates raged on day after day at dailykos. Which, by the way, should tell you that Dailykos doesn't speak with one voice, meaning that they didn't have an "official policy" about bashing or praising Hilary Clinton.

You continue to be ridiculous. I don't know what causes you to be so either dishonest or blind in your attempts to call everyone else dishonest, but you're hiding your one track take well at all.

Your sense of humor is much better than mine. I find Fox News is very disturbing . Someone a page back (MikeNY?) expressed something similar about entertainment value. But it is more than that. It is propaganda. It serves the interests of those who own the media, as well as making a profit. Sometimes the desire to fill a niche and make a better profit brings in a liberal, but that is unusual.

I get only one NPR radio station that only carries the morning and evening news so I cannot speak to the other new programs available on radio which, in my past experience, are often excellent and more in depth.

Do you have an Internet connection? There are lots and lots of public radio stations that have an Internet feed, and in any event, most NPR shows have archives of past shows. Check out http://www.publicradiofan.com/

Despite his often piercing and on-point questions ...

Yeah, God forbid we have any of THAT in the media ....

"Sorry, you were played by the news media and the Obama camp..."

Maybe so. It's been known to happen. Regardless, thanks for the comment.

Don't you think said example is more damning of your university than of the student? That is, how could a young person who has so little knowledge of history that they don't know of the existance of such former place, enroll there to begin with?

Media critique and issue/campaign concerns about my party's presumptive nominee are "sour grapes"!? The left has become just as truthy and bullying as the right, and that just kills me. Lefties are now chanting "get over it" to fellow Democrats just like so many little Scalias.

And you're going to cite DailyKos, whose official policy was that it didn't have to be "fair" to Hillary Clinton, as an example of balance?

I love Digby, but she's been standing on her head to find a way to feel good about Obama, including one column that amounted to "at least he's black," and another where she said "At this point I don't care if Obama flips on every single issue, I will do everything I can to see this jackass (McCain) defeated."

When wrestling was found to have scripted the results (long known by any casual observer) they got into trouble due to calling themselves a "sport." It is now referred to as "Entertainment." Their problem was solved with a name change.

I see no problem with the "news shows" doing the same thing. Just call them what they are, "Entertainment News." The viewer will not expect to have unbiased reporting on entertainment news shows.

In fact, I sometimes watch Fox just for the entertainment value. When you need a good laugh, just tune into Fox Entertainment News, it will brighten your day!

You should bottle that. That summary of the state of "televised news shows" strikes me as gestaltingly clear.

Of course, at least having Maddow on will be fun while it lasts, I suspect. And when they take her show away, let's hope it's only because there's less outrage selling soap because there's less neocon bullshit in our faces. That, I fear, may turn in no small degree on whether "Maturity" is sufficiently atypical or there really are many more like that out there.

Have you watched Olbermann's report on RFK-gate?

http://www.correntewire.com/everything_old_is_new_again_0

It's truly remarkable, a real contender for the 10 most scurrilous minutes of news journalism of my lifetime. That report (which, disturbingly, the Obama camp found worthy enough to send to the entire Beltway media pool) rivals anything I've ever seen from Fox News for sheer blind, dishonest, firebreathing hate.

Maddow was an active contributor to msnbc's slanted coverage of the campaign, scoring similar points if with a little less bravado than some of her colleagues.- vastleft

You are right on the money with this comment. Keith is now parading Maddow around like she is the shining exemplar of his newfound power at MSNBC: he couldn't wait to drag her out on Countdown the night her new show was announced and make her say that, yes, indeed it was Keith himself who got her the gig. He also got right on dailykos and huffed and puffed about it there. It isn't a big stretch to say that Maddow knew what was on the line when she smiled, nodded, and chirped along with Olbermann's nightly defamation of Senator Clinton, which hit its nadir with the ugly RFK-gate "Special Comment." This doesn't make Maddow Satan incarnate, but it doesn't make me admire her very much, either. Maddow seems a run-of-the-mill careerist, and it's hard to get excited about another one of those clogging up the airwaves, no matter the political persuasion. I will miss the departing Dan Abrams, who did a nice job taking on Rove and in helping Don Siegelman get out of jail. Abrams seemed as if he didn't take himself too seriously, and he wasn't as easily categorized as either "right" or "left" politically as someone like Maddow, who will no doubt dutifully play her prescribed role in the binary equation. But will she ever dare to disagree with KO, or will she continue to be an Olbermann sockpuppet? So far she has shown no inclination to bite the hand that feeds.