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Thursday, August 21, 2008 12:00 AM

The decay of serious journalism and Rachel Maddow's new show

The New Republic -- of all places -- laments the loss of "nuance or intellectual rigor" on television as epitomized by MSNBC's troubling decision to give an actual liberal her own show.

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Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:35 PM

@dmd76

The Correntebot misses you.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:33 PM

Canine border crossing

-It was actually amazingly easy, and nothing is easy in Brazil. Just a couple of veterinarian's certificates that they had various vaccines and they went right through immigration and customs - not even an hour of quarantine.-

Likewise in Mexico.

I worked their for 4 months in 2005 and my dog and I crossed back and forth into Texas by road every other weekend.

Not once was I asked to produce any documentation in either direction.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:33 PM

entertainment and propaganda

Mike Sulzer

It is propaganda. It serves the interests of those who own the media, as well as making a profit.

As I suggested in my prior comment, there is at least reason to hope that an increasingly progressive 24-54 demographic will lead to more diverse programming in venues where profit trumps ideology.

Fox News is a real anomaly in some ways, the cable equivalent of a Hearst/Pulitzer rag from a century ago: its message and methods very much an expression of one wealthy man slightly to the right of Mel Gibson's father(ably assisted by one devoted sidekick in the Burns/Smithers mold) who wants what he wants, who ultimately may not care that his shows look tired and outdated and are losing audience, and who probably has enough clout to keep Fox on life support until he finally sighs his last "Rosebud".

Murdoch and the American public had a brief moment of mutual adoration that is coming to an end. Fox's once outsized popularity was due at least in part to the unusually conservative generation that came up under Reagan, and kids brought up on Comedy Central aren't going to take their place. Murdoch also capitalized on the upsurge in previously underrepresented Conservative expression, part of the blowback Perlstein discusses in Nixonland but which is now, finally, losing steam from economic implosion, Democratic concession and war weariness(I'm with Paul in KY that anyone on the progessive side with real-world aspirations should read that book, with a pad handy to take notes on how not to promote high-minded causes).

How progressive MSNBC and other corporate entities are willing to become, and for how long, is of course an open question. But the same corporations that don't mind hawking sexually provocative clothing and accessories to pre-pubescents or [insert your own example of soulless profiteering here] aren't likely to adhere to some kind of high-minded Victorianism if Olbermann and Maddow can capture the eyeballs and serve the bottom line.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:31 PM

@kitt

Which, by the way, should tell you that Dailykos doesn't speak with one voice, meaning that they didn't have an "official policy" about bashing or praising Hilary Clinton.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/17/12417/1285

Kos himself: "As such, as far as I'm concerned, she doesn't deserve 'fairness' on this site. All sexist attacks will be dealt with -- those will never be acceptable. But otherwise, Clinton has set an inevitably divisive course and must be dealt with appropriately."

Other than not stopping the sexist attacks, he was true to his word.

Oh, but please tell me how that's not technically site policy, and whatever other blah, blah, blah you can come up with to cover up for the crappy turn the leftysphere and the (tiny) lefty media took this year.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:29 PM

Reily, bravo.

I especially appreciated the line regarding the alluvial plain. I hadn't noticed any of this regarding Gregory, and I only thought he was another pretty face until now. Light dawns on Marblehead. Thanks.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:20 PM

-- hploughjogger

anyone who thinks Gregory is a liberal obviously doesn't remember him doing back-up to Karl Rove's act. The man is as pathetic as he is narcissistic, second only to Tucker Carlson.-- hploughjogger

A liberal? Hell, he's practically a revolutionary.

He dug a foxhole in the Rose Garden and declared war on the White House He’s a political assassin with a time-slot. He’s a special-ops commando on a mission against the status quo. He’s Che Guevara with a microphone. He’s the one-man Red Brigade of the Beltway. He’s the Tom Joad of cable. He’s Robespierre wothout the French-sounding name. He reminds me of Zapata - not a little but alotta.

He swims against the tide. He runs up the down staircase. He’s so far out of the mainstream he’s off the alluvial plain. He flies in the face of authority and spits into the wind. He’s so free and radical he has to take a bath in antioxidants.

He’s the tungsten steel monkey wrench shoved into the works. He’s the burr under the saddle of political complacency. He’s the Tsetse fly in their ill-gotten ointment. He’s the African bee in their war-bonnet.

David Gregory, he's all that and more.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:16 PM

Serious Journalism (Ha ha ha ha ha)

Excuse me, but is there really such a thing on American television anymore? Maybe in a few pockets if you look hard enough. But on commercial television? Gimme a break.

And what is this? Now that the near monopoly on commentary television (which is what passes for news today) held by the extreme right is being challenged a bit (and only because there's a perception that maybe there's money to be made from the other side of things), we are seeing the end of journalism? Hardly.

Go watch the movie "Network". Back when it was contemporary fiction, satire and social commentary, one looked, laughed and probably said, "Well, it will never go that far..." But today?

It looks like a dull rendering of today's electronic newsroom. One of my kids asked me if the movie was supposed to be saying something.

Chilling. And sad.

Thursday, August 21, 2008 02:12 PM

First commenter..

Despise Rachel Maddow?

Despise?

Despise???

Wow. I see you are concerned.

I for one am thrilled! Go Rachel! Er, Dr. Maddow that is. My father and step-mom just discovered her too, and they are thrilled. Everyone I know is thrilled. This is great news for the amorphous sludge that is regular cable TV punditry. A diamond in the rough, a pearl before the swine as it were.

Also, I hope she has you on her show, Glenn.

Once again, congratulations Dr Maddow. Look forward to seeing your show!

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