You are obviously a fan of Gary Matsumoto . Others are fans of Mary Nass. I propose a steel cage death match, or maybe just spit whatever you got out online for all to see. Matsumoto got online presence?

However, there's just an awful lot of "How conveeeeeeeenient about Ivins's suicide. I'll be casting a skeptical eye at the Official Explanation for a good while yet.

The vaccine (Biothrax) was originally manufactured by the government as needed in Michigan. The facility was quietly privatized and handed over to a consortium headed by a retired Navy Admiral and a Lebanese businesman in 1997. They were unable to get approval for vaccine manufacture by the FDA for three years, so Battelle manufactured all vaccine during this period as their sole subcontractor. The main customer is the U.S. military, but the private firm has also recently sold the anthrax vaccine to Saudi Arabia, apparently.

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Was Bruce Ivins a Roman Catholic Christian Zionist?

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/109782.html

Oh yeah- Building 7, Alien Lizards, mysterious Lebanese businesmen [sic].

Comeon, fer fucks sake, there is more than enough bullshit here without dancing about making stuff up, eh?

...Sir or Ma'am...

I'm male - but don't sully my proud peasant heritage by calling me Sir!

I'm not that easily pinned down.

So you say. I'll still be keeping a close eye on your hipster shenanigans, gramps!

Stick around. We need some new blood her and I like your style.

I do thank ya for the welcome, if it's sincere. And, to his regal majesty edward I (and any landed gentry represented thereby): don't squander the glorious ambivalence of 'meh' with such a hamfisted usage, leaving it to shrivel in the barren void of your vacuous discontent, like a seed atop the desert sands..... "steel cage death match," indeed - 'meh' is better than that, even if you aren't.

(Lastly, as regards the extravagantly off-topic nature of these posts: if one can't stray a bit from relevance by page fifty-something of these comments, then when?)

FBI efforts to recreate the anthrax letter powder using off-the-shelf equipment and publicly available recipes all failed - it was clearly the product of a state laboratory with access to top secret recipes.

I am not disagreeing with your conclusions because I don't have enough information to reach a conclusion yet and I am not sure what "publicly available recipes" means, but you need to take Project Bacchus into account with your analysis.

But US experiments show such powders are not that difficult to produce. Last year, in an experiment called Project Bacchus, employees of the US Department of Defense succeeded in covertly producing one kilogram of non-pathogenic bacteria similar to anthrax. The bacteria were milled to particle sizes of 1-5 microns with machinery bought on the open market in the US.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1449

There has been so much disinformation and contradictory reports on the scientific front that the FBI just needs to release the data. Good old fashioned science will sort out these conflicting reports very quickly.

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arrenfrank said;

if one can't stray a bit from relevance by page fifty-something of these comments, then when?

I am really starting to get into Squidbillies.

Do not touch the trim.

I am amazed that, triggered by some curious Ivins quotes, I've gotten any flack about my inquiries into Bruce Ivins' connections to Christian fundamentalism from a few supposed intrepid truth seekers here.

Here's the latest: Mr. and Mrs. Bruce Ivins made 11 contributions to the AFA (American Family Association) between 1993 and 1997. They subscribed to the AFA Journal until March 2005. The AFA was founded and is headed by right-wing Christian extremist Don Wildmon.

Follow the facts, follow your nose, and you may uncover the truth.

Regarding Donald Wildmon's AFA:

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According to Gordon, over the years the AFA (website), founded in 1977 by Wildmon as the National Federation for Decency, has "grown into one of the most vocal conservative Christian groups in the nation, quick with its outrage about everything from homosexuality on TV to a Muslim lawmaker's plans to take the oath of office while holding a Quran."

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Much more to come on this topic, no doubt.

Today, my teacher at university declared, "They found the anthrax mailer."

But we can trust the media and the government because they would never deceive us when it comes to terrorism, would they?

By the way...

From Wikipedia:

"David Christopher Kelly CMG (May 17, 1944 – July 17, 2003) was an employee of the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence (MoD), an expert in biological warfare and a former United Nations weapons inspector in Iraq. Kelly's discussion with Today Programme journalist Andrew Gilligan about the British government's dossier on weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq inadvertently caused a major political scandal. He was found dead days after appearing before the Parliamentary committee charged with investigating the scandal."

These government scientists have a propensity to commit suicide it seems. Governments should be counselling scientists involved in defence related activities.

And the American Family Association, with which the Ivins were closely linked, is a Christian Zionist organization:

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Evangelicals and Israel

Theological Roots of a Political Alliance

By Donald Wagner

http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/zionism/wagner-cc.html

Netanyahu's 1996 defeat of Shimon Peres brought Likud back to power. During his years as Israel's representative at the UN, Netanyahu spoke regularly on the Christian Bight's "Prayer Breakfast for Israel" circuit and similar venues. Within a few months of his election, in conjunction with the Israeli ministry on tourism, he convened the Israel Christian Advocacy Council. Seventeen American evangelical and fundamentalist leaders were flown to Israel for a tour of the Holy Land and a conference at which they pledged support for what was essentially a Likud agenda. Included in the delegation were Don Argue, president of the National Association of Evangelicals; Brandt Gustavson, president of the National Religious Broadcasters (an organization that oversees approximately 90 percent of Christian radio and television broadcasting in North America); and Donald Wildmon, president of the American Family Association. The evangelical leaders signed a pledge expressing the hope that "America never; never desert Israel."

Several members of the Advisory Council backed the pro-Israel advertisement in the April 10, 1997, New York Times. Titled "Christians Call for a United Jerusalem," the ad may have been a direct response to a December 1996 Times ad sponsored by Churches for Middle East Peace, calling for a "Shared Jerusalem."

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My intuitions on this line of investigation into Ivins have been vindicated. Why were a few people here so quick to dismiss this aspect of the case?

Now we understand why Ivins may have had a motive to frame Muslims for the 9/11 anthrax attacks -- he was almost certainly a Christian Zionist.