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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's selective release of documents in the anthrax case

Some preliminary observations about the FBI's evidence.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:28 PM

Apologies, arrenfrank

Gee, thanks, L.W.M.

I fail to see how my agreement with McBride's criticism of Salon's commentary-forum (heru-ur's semantic demurral notwithstanding) validates your kindly directing me to the grist of one of 'Murika's foremost conspiracists.

But your specious dismissal is duly noted.....

For using a reply to you, an innocent bystander, to snap at another. And the snark is what you missed. It was snark. And there is lots of that here and elsewhere on the net.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snark

Use can use any style of forum commenting software at Salon as long as it is this one.

;-)

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:39 PM

arrenfrank

"I fail to see how my agreement with McBride's criticism of Salon's commentary-forum (heru-ur's semantic demurral notwithstanding) validates your kindly directing me to the grist of one of 'Murika's foremost conspiracists."

What did I say? I don't even know what a semantic demurral is. I figure it is Symantec's new mural making software out just in time for the new school year. Is that it?

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:42 PM

Slate has a 2004 review of mastomoto's book ....

provides some useful debunking of his claims regarding adjuvants ...

Interesting, imho, to those interested in the Ivin's connection to the "bad anthrax vaccine" aspect of this case.

Anthrax Scare

Did the military secretly doctor its anthrax vaccine?

By Jon Cohen

Posted Tuesday, Nov. 16, 2004, at 4:00 PM ET

link at my sig

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:59 PM

Off topic

For my first full time job, I was hired by a Scientoligist that was working on being "cleared". He was a true believer and odd, but very fair. I had to write up suggestions in the approved format, was not allowed to complain. L. Ron Hubbard would have been proud.

For a really funky book that touched on the history of JPL and Scientology, you need to read "Strange Angel: The Otherworldly Life of Rocket Scientist John Whiteside Parsons". Supposedly it was at Parson's house that the bet was made between Hubbard and Heinlein.

And L.W.M., You can break the case. I just want to sit back and sip a nice cool drink while you all work furiously away

Why not both?

Thursday, August 7, 2008 09:05 PM

@ L.W.M.

Glenn and others have expressed a desire to end the drug war and I share that desire but be forewarned and prepared for all kinds of problems when people with substance abuse issues can just purchase these substances OTC.

This is a tricky assertion to make, as you're probably aware. As someone who's been on the periphery of drug culture for awhile (though no doubt mere grains of sand in L.W.M.'s august hourglass), I can say that "all kinds of problems" are already rampant in our society as a result of substance abuse. In other words, erstwhile human beings across all walks of life already have access to these substances. In fact, the impurities and byproducts present in black-market bathtub-lab product substantially worsen not only the health risks for the users, but also the risks to society created by the monstrous behavioral changes you correctly described as indistinguishable from psychotic behavior. Furthermore, AFAIK the actual evidence concerning drug-induced harm to the common good within drug-decriminalized society indicates that, if anything, decriminalization seems to have a slightly ameliorative affect on drug-related crimes. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please do pass it along.

THC is not water soluble and remains in the body (fat cells, I think) for up to a month.

Up to a month? Ha - I've known folks who've failed their urine test after more than eighty days sober.

(P.S. Having read more of Mr. McBride's comments, I can somewhat understand your earlier derision. Allow me to clarify: when I posited that he was "on to something," it was solely in reference to his criticism of the software infrastructure here. As to his World War IV imagineering, I'd be more likely to say he's "on something". That is all.)

Thursday, August 7, 2008 09:12 PM

@ Silash

I agree with you that new-age water therapy nearly eliminates all credibility, but the piece ennealogic linked is actually quite thoroughly cited, with over 60 references. As an example, it mentions "Project Jefferson", which when googled lead me to the New York Times piece I linked in my previous post.

Although this is evidently a sincere attempt on your part to be fair-minded, quite laudable really, I suggest that even if all the dots are real, that doesn't necessarily speak for the lines connecting them.....

Especially when said connections are penciled in by a peddler of woo.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 09:34 PM

Project Bacchus

Project Bacchus

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1449

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2004_10/Tucker

http://online.sfsu.edu/~rone/GEessays/germtreatylimits.html
Judy Miller's NYT article

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ABC News and "Camp 12"

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/2001-9/2001-09-04-ABC-15.html

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/facility/nts-camp-12.htm

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Some good papers on Project Bacchus and Biosecurity

http://www.politics.unimelb.edu.au/ocis/Enemark.pdf

http://www.caedefensefund.org/CAE_USbiowar.pdf

http://www.fas.org/bwc/papers/defending.pdf

http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/npr/vol10/103/103mair.pdf

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On a side note:

Richard Spertzel is quoted in the New Scientist article as saying--

Richard Spertzel, former head of biological weapons inspection for UNSCOM, the UN body that attempted to dismantle the Iraqi arsenal, told journalists this week that such small quantities were "within the capabilities of any dedicated individual that's determined to do it."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/43078_source17.shtml

Since this is the complete opposite of what Richard "I'm one of them" Spertzel has been saying, I tried to track down another source and get a more complete quote. From AP--

"The quantity that's involved, that's within the capability of any dedicated individual that's determined to do it," he said.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/43078_source17.shtml

Thursday, August 7, 2008 09:50 PM

oops

replace first instance of

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/attack/43078_source17.shtml

with

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1449

Thursday, August 7, 2008 09:55 PM

derbig

derbig u came into the middle of a thread talking shit and didn't know jack. go look up the word for that. by the way my name is no secret here ...jaime omar yassin www.hyphenatedrepublic.wordpress.com .....your turn....

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