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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's selective release of documents in the anthrax case

Some preliminary observations about the FBI's evidence.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:34 PM

One more bit of interesting info about tendonitis

Yes, Ivins played keyboard and probably spent a lot of time at the computer, but Cipro also just got a black box warning because of blown tendons. Not sure if he was on Cipro, but it's an interesting coincidence.

http://www.webmd.com/news/20080708/fda-warning-cipro-may-rupture-tendons

Ike: read up on Project Bacchus. Interesting stuff there, including an article ABC News appears to have pulled from their site but can be found on dissedentvoice.org. Judy Miller had a front page article on it one week before 9/11. Also check out articles about it at Globalsecurity.org and in New Scientist. I'll post on it tomorrow when I have time if you or someone else hasn't gotten there yet.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:36 PM

I'll see if I can dig up some more FDE analyses

But based on what these guys came up with years ago, does Ivins fit the profile?

They are not with the gummint. They are independent. How did they do?

Let's hear from the fellow investigators here.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:40 PM

Jim White

I'd read that about Cipro. And, someone mentioned it a thread or so back. For some reason, I'd identified the problem as occurring more with the Achilles tendon. Anyway. Tendonitis can be quite painful. Tylenol with codeine, or some such?

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:43 PM

LWM

I can tell you the month, but not the year that photo was taken.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:53 PM

Hmmmm... Sounds like a challenge to me

LWM

I can tell you the month, but not the year that photo was taken.

You probably see something I've missed or don'tregister but I'll go with March. St. Paddy's day.

;-)

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:55 PM

@L.W.M.

While it's interesting to try to figure out the motives and behavior of the writer of the notes, we don't know that one person wrote the notes, or composed the notes. There may have been several people trying to figure out what an Iraqi terrorist would write in a terror note. You know, "How many here vote for "Allah is great"?

To presume that one person wrote the notes, and the notes reflect some personal feeling or thinking on that person's part, is not demanded by the evidence. And those who most benefited from the results of the anthrax letters (the Patriot Act, the Iraq War) had the means and methods and ability not only to create the letters but to manufacture and deliver the aerosolyzed anthrax.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 07:55 PM

Bingo

NCAA basketball tournament (March Madness) game on the TV behind him.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:00 PM

Cipro?

Why would Ivins be taking Cipro? Wouldn't he have been vaccinated? Or would it be an added protection?

Here is all the very positive, uplifting info on the anthrax vaccine:

http://www.gwu.edu/~cih/anthraxinfo/vaccine/vaccine_myths.htm

As far as having narcotic type painkillers, doctors give them out for all sorts of things. I've tended to keep them if I'm afraid of getting pain that a couple of aspirin won't cure, though it seems to be more of a hoarding thing, uh oh, am I admitting to pychological problems?. My broken elbow got me a prescription, my stitches another one, a couple of root canals... You get the picture. After a few years (long after expiration, still unused) when I go on a cleaning spree, I dispose of them as safely as possible.

p.s. thanks, bystander.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:01 PM

yeah, I was just about to say

Bingo

NCAA basketball tournament (March Madness) game on the TV behind him.

-- Jim White

I'll bet Jim's a B-ball fan. I wasn't even sure what that was but looked again and realized it was big flat screen at his local pub. Duh, me!

Bob,

I think all the FDEs agree one man wrote the letters.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:03 PM

Nothing abominable about him.

"Lawyers and Religions. If they ask you for money just for a consult - walk away fast." -- L.W.M.

No doubt. I am sure there are some fine teachers out there. I find I have no need for a teacher anymore, and no need to teach.

I find that most "religion" is a real abomination, but that still leaves spirituality. I have no opinion on the Dalai Lama, for example, but he has nearly the right message. It may be a "semantics game" but the word "religion" is a turn-off to me but men who are "spiritual" I find to be more on-track.

I am not sure any of that makes sense, I am struggling with pain at the moment. I never take any medicine so sometimes a night can be hard. Anyway, take it for whatever it is worth.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:18 PM

@heru-ur

I find that most "religion" is a real abomination, but that still leaves spirituality. I have no opinion on the Dalai Lama, for example, but he has nearly the right message. It may be a "semantics game" but the word "religion" is a turn-off to me but men who are "spiritual" I find to be more on-track.

I am not sure any of that makes sense, I am struggling with pain at the moment. I never take any medicine so sometimes a night can be hard. Anyway, take it for whatever it is worth.

Like you, I have always felt that religion and spirituality are not mutually inclusive. In many ways they are mutually exclusive, in my view.

I find this line of dialogue thought provoking in a number of ways and after this mystery is resolved (notice I said resolved, not solved) perhaps you and I can start off fresh and debate our differences civilly and intelligently - even here on a slow day - and won't Glenn will be shocked and amazed. I take full responsibility for being a jerk but notice that I don't go as far as calling all religion an outright abomination, although I do reject the manipulative and fraudulent nature of many proponents of the various religions, and some of the more fraudulent and cult-like ones in particular. Mona and I have had this discussion about Scientology before. She thinks it is a First Amendment issue, I think it is an organized crime and racketeering matter. We'll save it for another day.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 08:20 PM

@ L.W.M.

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/

Gee, thanks, L.W.M.

I fail to see how my agreement with McBride's criticism of Salon's commentary-forum (heru-ur's semantic demurral notwithstanding) validates your kindly directing me to the grist of one of 'Murika's foremost conspiracists.

But your specious dismissal is duly noted.....

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