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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's selective release of documents in the anthrax case

Some preliminary observations about the FBI's evidence.

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Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:21 PM

@Yablonowitz

Did I spell everything write?

No one is graded on correct spelling here. In fact, intentionally or unintentionally mispelling (sic) (See? I just misspelled "misspelled") a word that changes the meaning in an inappropriate, humorous or naughty way gets you extra credit.

Pedinska can show you how it's done. She is now the resident expert in malapropisms and miss spellings.

;-)

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:23 PM

Yab fooled me!

Did I spell everything write?

Nevermind.

Emily Litella

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:30 PM

lwm

I work in the Public Health field now in a non-profit lobbying org. I have very little patience with quacks because they rob people of their hard earned money and often keep them from getting the health care they really need but can no longer afford. I know I am somewhat sharp and ham-fisted about it but it is my intent. These people, like Dr. Horowitz, are a public health problem in and of themselves. This could lead us into a discussion you and I might prefer to avoid. I'll just apologize for being my usual charming self and leave it at that.

If you are in a lobbying group, you need to work on the presentation a bit. I work with a charity (volunteer) that has a main focus of the urban hungry and homeless. Nice to meet a fellow worker here. Ah, we all work. I mean a fellow charitable ... ah, screw it --- you know what I mean.

But, I was saying that we need to guard against attacking a whole belief system just because of the frauds in the "religion business". And especially the mystic line of Judaism or the mystic line of Islam given that they have more in common with each other than the main line religions that they came from.

I know that most teachers/masters/gurus/whatever are frauds, but I do not know that they all are. Just saying.

By the way, there is nothing that I would not discuss with you if you want. As long as it pertains to Glenn's work in some small way, why not?

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:31 PM

Pedinska

I know I'm late to the thread and I've had my head up the EPA's you-know-what all day, but

During the game. Not after. What good does it do to kick balls once the last whistle's been blown?

You know, sometimes I just want to kick...oh, wait, you were talking about soccer balls.

My bad.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:34 PM

and sean - may i borrow -

this: 'I am fairly good at textual analysis and I have not detected hevy sarcasm - light irony

or anything in between' from you - i think it was beautifully written and it might come handy fot me one day.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:38 PM

@oomex

So. Sorry, about your reception, I am by no means the arbiter of posts here anyway, and am just one person, so don't let it prevent you from posting in the future. If you read my comment, I was basically saying, given the fact that your link was so wacky, I could only assume that you were a disinformer and I was warning others. You might be able to see why I or anyone would have thought that, and take it as a reason to be a little more confident in your sources

Ever heard that Yiddish word, "officious"? It's too bad there isn't an adequate English translation.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:38 PM

Sean

I'm sorry, but I really am too tired to search back through multiple posts and 50+ page comment sections in order to qualify for this heat in tonight's Olympic Race to the Bottom.

It just seems to me that you are focussing exclusively on the snippets provided by the FBI (et. al.) and are not looking at the circumstances surrounding these particular soundbites.

Where do you place Ivins on the ideological spectrum and why?

Maybe this is the difference. I haven't placed Ivin on any kind of spectrum just yet, let alone an ideological one. I am waiting to get all the information I can first. That's how the process is supposed to work. At least, as I understand it.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:39 PM

One thing I'd really like to know

And I think it would shed a lot of light on things, is whether Ivins' family had received Anthrax vaccinations. I suppose it may be protocol for the family of any researcher of highly dangerous/contagious diseases to have this done. But it would give plausibility to the notion that he may have brought the anthrax home on his clothing or another way after having mailed the envelopes. After all, they did get anthrax residue from the mailbox in question.

I can't see why they would expect to find much at his home by swabbing 6-7 years after the fact, but I'm curious as to his family's vaccination status.

There are probably a million ways he could have done it so as to have avoided contaminating his house/family but knowing this might fill in a few holes or lead me toward a personal conclusion on his guilt or innocence.

Thursday, August 7, 2008 04:41 PM

Handwriting Analysis Fails to Tie Ivins to Anthrax Letters

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Handwriting Analysis Fails to Tie Ivins to Anthrax Letters

August 7, 2008

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/anthrax-letters-not-in-ivins.html#

The FBI cannot match Ivins and the handwriting in the anthrax letters. As summarized by World Net Daily:

"Casting further doubt on the FBI's anthrax case, accused government scientist Bruce Ivins passed two polygraph tests and a handwriting analysis comparing samples of his handwriting to writing contained in the anthrax letters, U.S. officials familiar with the investigation say.

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Officials confirm that FBI handwriting analysts were unable to conclusively match samples of Ivins' handwriting with the writing on the anthrax envelopes and letters".

The WND article points out other problems with the FBI's case:

Investigators also failed to uncover other critical evidence linking Ivins directly to the letters. For instance:

* No textile fibers were found in his office, residence or vehicles matching fibers found on the scotch tape used to seal the envelopes;

* No pens were found matching the ink used to address the envelopes;

* Samples of his hair failed to match hair follicles found inside the Princeton, N.J., mailbox used to mail the letters.

Also, no souvenirs of the crime, such as newspaper clippings, were found in his possession as commonly seen in serial murder cases.

What's more, the FBI could not place Ivins at the crime scene with evidence, such as gas station or other receipts, at the time the letters were mailed in September and October 2001.

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lab records reviewed by WND show the number of late nights Ivins put in at the lab first spiked in August 2001, weeks before the 9/11 attacks."

So much for an air-tight case.

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