At Glenn's continues this same exact topic, that is, the investigation. We are two or more posts down. It might get confusing, it might get ugly, if we don't move to the new thread. It is the continuation of this topic, so it seems appropriate.

did say he was not the Jim White Cargo Cult thought he was, and Cargo Cult said he must be mistaken, and apologised.

I am glad it turned out that way. The thought of posters from government and pushing an agenda under unclear or false pretenses is very frightening, but fortunately, this is not a case of that.

Yes, everybody's gone upstairs, but I thought that needed to be said. Happy ending, you know, sort of wrap things up, no loose ends, you know.

We have to trust in our abilities to separate out truth from government-directed misinformation, or else we're lost. Anyway, almost certainly, anyone here who is into the misinformation game would write under a pseudonym.

Susan - You need to research this subject more. For instance, Senators Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum, both Roman Catholics, attended the most recent meeting of CUFI (Christians United for Israel), a Christian Zionist organization led by Christian Armageddonist John Hagee. There is indeed a sector of Roman Catholics that is strongly associated with Christian Zionist ideology and politics, and Bruce Ivins may well have been in that camp.

http://www.christianzionism.org/

QUOTE

Anyway, Pastor Hagee, that drawling, white-haired, barrel-organvoiced Texan with the kindly smile who gives such powerful ministry on TV, is one of America's chief pitchmen for Christian Zionism. He founded a group called Christians United for Israel (CUFI), whose mission is to rally Christians to Israel's cause. According to the Washington Post, Hagee has regular access to the White House and has many followers among George Bush's staff. Remarkably, when CUFI held a conference in Washington this past summer, no less a personage than Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman gave the keynote address. Also participating as speakers were Senators Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum, while George W. Bush and Israeli prime minister Ehud Olmert sent recorded greetings.

END QUOTE

Yes, but I'm glad it turned out the way it did. Say, for instance Jim White had just disappeared from the column? Or admitted he was the NIH Jim White and then started offering equivocations.

I feel bad for poor Cargo, he went off half-cocked. When you're dealing with a name like "Jim White", it's best not to. It's much too common. Don't get me wrong, it's a perfectly nice name, but a lot of people have it.

Macgupta - How many people with access to the anthrax strain in question used an expression so close to the language and posting time of the anthrax letter? "Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans..."

We see now that Ivins was almost certainly for the Patriot Act and similar police-state legislation, on the same page with the neoconservative/Christian Zionist agenda.

I'm not sure in what sense Ivins was a Democrat. I know of very few Democrats, other than Joseph Lieberman, who are sympathetic to Christian Zionism (or who are Christian Zionists themselves).

BEGIN QUOTE

On September 26, 2001, in an e-mail to a friend, Dr. Ivins writes "The news media has been saying that some members of Congress and members of the ACLU oppose many of the Justice Department proposals for combating terrorism, saying that they are unconstitutional and infringe too much on civil liberties. Many people don't know it but the official ACLU position is to oppose all metal detectors in airports and schools and other public buildings. It's interesting that we may now be living in a time when our biggest threat to civil liberties and freedom doesn't come from the government but fiom enemies of the government. Osama Bin Laden has just decreed death to all Jews and all Americans, but I guess that doesn't mean a lot to the ACLU. Maybe I should move to Canada. . . ."

END QUOTE

Was Bruce Ivins a Roman Catholic Christian Zionist, like Rick Santorum or Sam Brownback?

Christian Nation Express?

Evangelical Christians?

Conservative Christians?

The laws of this nation should be compatible with the Gospel?

By blood and faith, Jews are God's chosen, and have no need for "dialogue" with any gentile?

There is a great deal of intersection here with Christian Zionist ideology.

I'm still trying to figure this out.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78274

BEGIN QUOTE

Conservative Christians now feeling their oats

Originally published November 21, 2004

I would like to comment on the letter to the editor, "Wants off Christian Nation Express," of Nov. 12.

I am certainly pleased that the writer is dedicated to service in the love of God, even though I find her theological focus on agony and suffering rather than the hope, joy and salvation of the resurrection to be puzzling.

Whether Americans like it or not, the results of the presidential election have propelled charismatic and evangelical Christians into new heights of political power. Many of those individuals would agree that the laws of this nation should be compatible with the Gospel, if not actually based upon it.

Whether we're on the "Christian Nation Express" or not, we all need to be ready for a wild political ride these next four years through a landscape of issues deemed important by conservative Christians.

END QUOTE

BEGIN QUOTE

All aboard!

Originally published November 09, 2004

I read Deborah Carter's column of Nov. 7, "Election blues," and I have three comments for the good woman, and for everybody else, as well.

First, it's clear that views like hers would put Jesus on that cross again. Second, thy loom and churn best be still, come the Sabbath. Third, you can get on board or get left behind, because that Christian Nation Express is pulling out of the station!

END QUOTE

The "evidence" released thus far by the FBI has its shoddy, dubious aspects, and Greenwald is right to point out these out. And, of course, since Ivins is kaput, we'll never hear what defense he could have made in a court of law.

I incline to the view that the anthrax case was a "false flag" job pulled by (who else?) warmongering Zionist elements in the U.S. or Israeli governments to get the American people even more hot and bothered against those evil Iraqis.

About the FBI: Do you remember the show "The FBI" (ABC-TV, 1965-74)? It starred Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. as Inspector Lewis Erskine, a brisk, efficient G-man who, at the end of the hour, always got his man. This was the 1960s, when the FBI was revered by most Americans (including my family--we sat in front of the TV every Sunday night to watch it).

Well, that was the J. Edgar Hoover-pushed legend. From what we know today, decades later, the FBI's halo has been badly tarnished.