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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's emerging, leaking case against Ivins

The more revelations there are in the Bruce Ivins case, the more questions there are.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:05 PM

cargocult

The bit about Ed Lake is laughable - the guy knows nothing about science, and is just some kook with a web site.

I've found your contributions here extremely thought-provoking and valuable, but about this "just some kook with a web site" bit, I have to ask: how are you any different?

You're obviously knowledgeable about many of these issues yet have scrupulously avoided disclosing any information about yourself or any claimed basis for expertise. Ultimately, I assess someone's writing based on how credible I find it to be after evaluating and scrutinizing it.

Through that process, I've found Ed Lake to be quite reliable (though not infallible), but you suggest he should be disregarded on credentialism grounds. If we take your advice, shouldn't we disregard what you say on the same ground?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:06 PM

a little more info

First - I could not BELIEVE that NPR could sink so low as to repeat the "sorority house" lie and, as noted here - talk about A PLAY in HIGH SCHOOL in which ANOTHER higher schooler cast Ivins as the murderer. How fucking ridiculous. I mean frigging.

Via NPR it also seems that the FBI is going to keep the case OPEN which, as someone noted here, means that they do not have to make all evidence available. Tomorrow they will present selective evidence.

Also sad was the last woman who spoke, whose husband was a postal worker who was killed. The woman said ... I don't care what they do, if this is how they get him, or something to that effect. Go listen. That vigiliante streak in America.

If Duley were pressured by the FBI, those DUIs that may not have been reported to her bosses so that she could keep her job might be a good guess as to how. From her statement available online as an mp3 - Duley said Ivins was in a group session with her - didn't mention his daughter.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:07 PM

@360perspective

I appreciate your work, as do many who post here but there are some who contribute little or nothing to the subject at hand who have branded themselves as quarrelsome, inconsiderate, ill-mannered. immature exhibitionists.

I just scroll past them unread.

Every indication is that you do not. I've heard you copy those posts and bring them to work. You can't fool us "who have branded themselves as quarrelsome, inconsiderate, ill-mannered. immature exhibitionists."

I'll bet you savor every word.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:07 PM

Ivins attorney

He seems to have been an advocate, however, how was he appointed? And given his clients emotional state, why did he enable his release from the safety of the institution? Did the institution tape Ivins private phone conversations? It seems odd that they would let him make so many calls. What drugs was Ivins on while in the hospital? Were those drugs continued after he was released? Some anti-anxiety drugs can cause explosive anger.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:11 PM

@LWM

I escaped from one.

I knew they couldn't hold you!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:13 PM

sitting pretty, well not exactly

Yes anniew the anthrax killer is sitting in the Vice President's office planning his next move and I think I can assure you it's something you won't appreciate. I wouldn't call him pretty - evil, hideous, depraved, morally bankrupt - but not pretty.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:19 PM

Dr. David S. Irwin?

Duley's notes from the court proceedings show "Dr. David Irwin" as a source for accusations that Ivins' homocidal tendencies extend back to his graduate school days. I'm not sure where the "S." came from, but I remember reading it somewhere. Is this the Psychiatrist she is referring to?:

http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-david-irwin-md-1abd0590.cfm

He is listed as a forensic psychiatrist. If this is in fact the psychiatrist that Duley is referring to, has he made any comment on the current situation? Was he in fact Ivins' psychiatrist at any time?

Being a forensic psychiatrist, I would bet that he is in fact working with the FBI in the current investigation. The way the facts are being presented in the media it's as if this person had been Ivins' personal psychiatrist since his graduate school days. This is one point that could be easily determined and could seriously undermine Duley's statements to the court.

This point may have already been considered, but I haven't been able to find any details on it yet. If anyone can point me in the right direction, let me know.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:21 PM

Lyophilization of B. subtilis spores

Some death when lyphilized in phosphate buffer, but not much.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=243925

And here's another type of spore that survives just fine when lyophilized in an appropriate medium:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/x314k436v7240362/

Although there is no evidence of material such as bentonite or silica from Meselson's reports, it's not clear to me he would have seen something like glycerol or or one of the polymeric wettting agents if it had been present to preserve viability during the freezing cycle.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 04:21 PM

The only American national monument on a more solid foundation than the

Washington Monument is BioPort, now Emergent Technologies. No amount of incompetence will prevent us from awarding massive anthrax vaccines to BioPort. Knowledgable people from all services and all parties shake their head at the mention of the (now kindly obsolete) term BioPort.

Ivins would be have particular interest in this situation, since as part of his work, he must be innoculated against Anthrax with their vaccine.

Not surprisingly, the lead sentence in his most recent article

( vaccine, August 5, 2008, ) http://tinyurl.com/vaccine-aug-2008

is

Efforts are underway to improve or replace the current human FDA-licensed human anthrax vaccine, anthrax vaccine adsorbed (AVA BioThrax™; BioPort Corporation, Lansing, MI, USA)

Besides the mention of the obsolete term "BioPort", on the author list is a curious mention of something called "goldbelt-raven"

From the goldbelt raven website here:

http://www.goldbeltraven.com/files/CoreCapabilities/currentprojects.html#US

We see that a new company has a apparently legit contract to do research related to biosecurity.

US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases Ft. Detrick, Md.

Awarded September 22, 2003 - Value $80 Million

R&D efforts to develop strategies, products, information, procedures,

and training programs for medical defense against biological warfare

threats and infectious diseases

Lead Research Laboratory - Biological Defense

Largest biocontainment Lab in Department of Defense

Biological Warfare - Infectious Disease Research

Thus, knocking off Ivins, or any of the countries top vaccine researchers could be viewed by the FBI as defending our national monument, BioPort.

Good Work Guys

I sentence you all to be injected with anthrax vaccine

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