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Sunday, Nov 8, 2009
@L.W.M.
You're way behind the times. We've read Ivins' letters in the Frederick News Post AND the articles that Ivins was responding to.
e.g., click on my signature.
-- macgupta
No. You've read them and from your point of view "anybody who read them might think amity wrote them". Other people see with their own point of view. You may have more of an attachment to a certain preconceived outcome. Most of us do. Somehow I doubt Ivins was a big fan on satire but that is just a hunch.
Dry or paste, don't all "teh experts" agree the water used in the process came from the northeastern U.S. Whether that was employed in some reconstitution process only, I don't know and cannot say.
"Radiocarbon dating conducted by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in June 2002 established that the anthrax was cultured no more than two years before the mailings. In October 2006 it was reported that water used to process the anthrax spores came from a source in the northeastern United States."
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/government/84/8449gov1.html
"To blame sucicide on pressure from FBI is ridiculous. Many times friends cannot detect mental illness in their freinds.
Often families are in denial."
-- bernbart
Apart from the spelling errors I cannot assume you know about friends. Or for that matter suicide. Mental illness,however, is another matter.
In my post yesterday, I provide a link to a supplier commonly used in microbiology, located in Bethesda, MD, who sell sterile filtered water. Someone working on their own, away from a professional facility, just might choose that route for both the culturing and processing of the material.
Its quite dangerous, not to mention sort of useless, to try to reconstruct an identity out of a few scraps of public writings. Like the writings attributed to Duley, the public writing of Ivins represents only a moment in (personality) time, which may be reflected in the person's larger worldview and actions, or may not. Such writings are even more misleading if, as in Ivins' case, the letters show large gaps of silence as well. Just as one example, a several odd and passionate letters to the editor spaced out over several years may only indicate a compulsion to have one's opinions heard, or a need to shock with one's opinion, or any number of a dozen other things that can't be inferred from the actual content of the letters.
What's most important, heaven forbid any of us end up at the eye of a similar investigation and our posts from GG's column are unearthed and studied for insight into the workings of our warped minds.
Does the fact that some of the letters were sent from Princeton NJ mean anything to you in light of this - or is it worthless coincidence?
http://www.battelleventures.com/
Battelle Ventures LP
Battelle is the $220 million, Princeton, N.J.-based Battelle Ventures fund's sole limited partner and Eastern Tennessee business leaders back the $35 million, Knoxville, Tenn.-based IVP fund.
A newspaper photo of Duley identified her credential as BSW, CSC-AD.
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?storyID=76901
If it's the same Jean Duley, as of 7/07, she was noted to have made the Dean’s List (!) at Hood College.
A recent BSW would have no clinical significance whatever. A Maryland CSC-AD (addiction counseling) requires only an Associate degree (2 years college) in HHS field plus 15 credits in addiction counseling and 2 years supervised experience (1/2 of which may be accomplished while earning Associate degree) to sit for certification exam. She might have made that if she started before or during college.
While histories of substance abuse don't rule out becoming addiction counselors (indeed, the field is loaded with such people) they have to be in recovery and court records indicate Duley isn't.
In CA, as long as they are clean - and they do have to test frequently during their training - they actually prefer recovering addicts for the programs. The clients tend to respect them more because "they have been through it too" but they must demonstrate a long period of sobriety and they do test them as part of the licensing procedure. In other states, who knows? Licensing procedures vary from state to state. In some states it used to be that anyone could put up a shingle and call themselves a "counselor" - and not necessarily a drug counselor. Same with PI licensing. You can go to some states and just get business cards. Voila! You are Sam Spade.
Sorry, Jim, you are wrong here:
First, as to the function of a lyophilizer, all it does is to remove the water from the material placed into it. In other words, if you put a mixture of spores, vegetative cells and culture medium into it, you will get dried spores, vegetative cells and culture medium. If you put a water suspension of very highly purified spores into it, you will wind up with dry very highly purified spores.
Not true. Lyophilization tends to disintegrate any spore preparation to some degree - that is one reason why it is used in vaccine manufacture, in which a broken or heat-killed solution of infectious cell fragments is used to activate one's immune system. There is no way to prepare pure spores using a lyophilizer - it is typically used to fragment plant and animal tissue for DNA extraction, among other purposes. No way.
The first is that very reputable scientists have seen electron micrographs of the attack material and they report that there appears to be nothing besides spores in the material.
Those were the photographs shown to Ken Alibek, the Battelle contractor - that's your reputable scientist, the Soviet defector who claimed repeatedly that the anthrax had to be from Iraq??? Wasn't the other Bill Patrick, longtime Battelle employee and anthrax bioweapon patent-holder??? Those were photographs of Battelle's autoclaved hockey pucks, I imagine. (see previous post of mine)
The bit about Ed Lake is laughable - the guy knows nothing about science, and is just some kook with a web site. Another Hatfill team member.
I previously was of the opinion that the attack material had to have been produced at Dugway, but the concepts described above make me less sure of that. Now, I am beginning to believe the assertion that someone moderately skilled in microbiology could have produced the material.
Well, since the concepts you describe are so incorrect, I guess you agree that individuals at Battelle and Dugway Utah, or possibly West Jefferson Ohio, are the guilty party? Murderers on the loose - don't you worry about them having some more of it stashed away somewhere?
This is all just a massive and desperate attempt at burying the story and closing the case. What's next? Will the Justice Department call in the Enron papershredders to clean up loose ends before the grand exodus?
And how about that huge fat anthrax vaccine contract, all set to be delivered "in late 2008" - right to longtime Battelle partner, Emergent Biosolutions, proud new owner of Vaxgen? Our troops don't need body armor - they need anthrax vaccinations!
Unreal. And the press is playing patsy... Well, not ALL of the press. :)
Much of the initial coverage about Fort Hood turned out to be wrong. Is there anything wrong with that?
The accountability imposed by another country for the CIA's kidnapping and torture reveals much about our own.
Fox News' morning show plays to type, talking about whether Muslims in the Army should face "special debriefings"
219 Democrats and one Republican join in favor of the legislation, which passed by a narrow margin
The survivor and author is upset about comparisons some on the right are making to genocide
Salon headlines in your mailbox
