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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's emerging, leaking case against Ivins

The more revelations there are in the Bruce Ivins case, the more questions there are.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:08 PM

Thank you, Dave Satan.

There are plenty here who would pay and it would eliminate all that diversity of opinion, reality and facts they loathe so much.

We needed a bit of comedy here. The atmosphere was getting a bit thick, after all.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:08 PM

Arthur Anderson on Ivins

Frederick News Post

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78365

The only perceived weakness that Anderson could discern, and not all people would consider it a weakness, he said, was that Ivins "had relatively thin skin."

"His personality style was such that he was sensitive to public opinion," Anderson said Sunday. "There are individuals in our community whose lives are centered around protesting government programs. They're not necessarily interested in facts, but pushing an agenda."

Ivins would take it personally when seemingly unfounded criticism was aimed at something he believed in, Anderson said.

"He was concerned with how the Institute was perceived and how he was perceived," Anderson said. "That manifested itself in the care he took in conducting his research."

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The doctor and scientist paused briefly after being asked if he believes Ivins committed suicide.

"Oh, yeah," he said. "I think all of the circumstances put him in a place where he felt he had no place to go."

Anderson said he became aware in June that the FBI had taken items out of Ivins' lab.

"The FBI took all of the stored things in his lab freezer," Anderson said. "They basically destroyed his life's work. I think that's what upset him the most."

Anderson said it is "highly incomprehensible" to him that Ivins would be regarded as the perpetrator in this case simply because he had access to anthrax.

He said he last saw Ivins around July 6. Ivins told him the FBI was stalking him, following him everywhere, Anderson said.

"He was animated and appropriately concerned, but certainly not out of control."

Anderson does not believe Ivins is responsible for the 2001 anthrax deaths.....

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:08 PM

@ magupta

"Ivins was evidently a psychic and upset in 2001 by his visions of the Democratic cave-in on FISA in 2007. Of course, he didn't see clearly enough to send it to Reid rather than Daschle."

Thanks for making everyone at the coffeehouse stare at me !!!

Now I have to get up and get some napkins to clean up the mess.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:11 PM

@Liberal Artist

About 1:15 a.m. Sunday, Frederick County Emergency Communications received a medical emergency call from Ivins' 622 Military Road home, said Lt. Shawn Martyak of the Frederick Police Department. Officials found Ivins unresponsive on the floor in a room in his home.

At the time when officers were called, nothing indicated the medical emergency was a suicide, he said.

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78327

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:11 PM

sean and satan -

there might have been some misunderstanding and i finally understand the substantive posts sean is posting as everybody has his eyes here on something he has his eyes on the camel and thats good - as long as he doesnt get obsessive about it - he just has posted it - thrice - i mean three times - and to play satans advocat - he loves glenn didn't you know you little devil you!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:12 PM

Solving the 9/11 Anthrax Attacks Case

What to investigate: are there any meaningful links between the Camel Club member at Fort Dietrich who tried to frame Dr. Ayaad Assaad for the 9/11 anthrax attacks and members of the Bush 43 administration who had advance warning of the attacks and who tipped off members of the MSM, like Richard Cohen at the Washington Post? Uncover substantive links, interrogate the links in the chain with force, and the case is probably solved.

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Assaad's troubles, though, didn't stop with his departure from the lab. In late September, he was the subject of an anonymous letter that was forwarded to the FBI. The note had highly specific details about Assaad and claimed he was preparing a biological attack. It was sent before the first anthrax case broke.

The timing is deeply suspicious. And since Assaad is Egyptian born, he would seem to make a perfect fall guy. FBI agents met with him on Oct. 3 and, after a 45-minute interview, told him they were convinced the letter was a hoax. Assaad says he is sure he was being set up by the real anthrax killer to take the blame for the attacks.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:14 PM

re: Disruption Ops

I just browsed a few dozen of pieceofcake's 400+ posts here, and could not find a single factual statement relating to the Bruce Ivins' case -- literally not one. I think it is safe to conclude that a few people here, possibly coordinating their efforts, are trying to disrupt Glenn Greenwald's blog and take our eye off the ball regarding the key issues in the Ivins' case.

-- seanmcbride

Every time you call out lwm; you get hit by pieceofcake. Odd. Can you think of any reason that it might appear so?

(this test is timed)

:-)

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:14 PM

-- wingspan_too way back 10:37 AM (and calling Jim White)

Actually every account I've read about the anthrax used in the attacks states that it was unmilled. But that doeasn't clear anything up really because while weaponized anthrax is unmilled it really is unclear if the mailed anthrax was weaponized or just very potent, as L.W.M. pointed out.

The problem with making antrhax viable as a weapon is keeping it from clumping, and I'm talking about dry anthrax. That's why it's treated with silica to keep it from clumping so it will float. Without the ability to disperse in the air it is an ineffective weapon, although obviously still dangerous and deadly.

Jim White pointed out something yesterday which I had reservations about but may be true; that this anthrax didn't contain silica but was able to float without it because of how small the anthrax spores were.

Some people seem to think that the anthrax contained in the first letters was less potent than the second batch, but from what I've read that isn't the case. The first anthrax was clumped and therefore less effective. At the time there was speculation that the letters had gotten wet somehow during the trip through the mail.

It seems possible that if someone were drying wet anthrax and didn't do a thorough job, or for some reason rushed the process, that could account for the clumping of the first batch, rather than the letters having gotten wet during the postal trip. And given more time the second batch could be completely dried. Also the anthrax used for making vaccine -- which is what Ivins worked on -- is very pure which was true of the anthrax in the letters.

Does that mean that I believe Ivins did it? I'll need alot of facts lined up before I even entertain that. But as we could see in the last few days and as Glenn points out, the behavior of the FBI is probably the biggest reason to give Ivins every benefit of the doubt. I know if the FBI really had the goods on me they wouldn't need to find my ex and have her tell the public at large (those she hasn't already gotten to) that I'm eight different kinds of shitheel.

Maybe when Jim White shows up he can add something about this. He's done some serious digging on this.

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