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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:00 AM

The FBI's emerging, leaking case against Ivins

The more revelations there are in the Bruce Ivins case, the more questions there are.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:39 AM

@ LWiMp

baliwick, you fucking moron...

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:43 AM

Rush D. Holt on the FBI Investigation of the 9/11 Anthrax Attacks

Steve Shane in The New York Times:

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Yet from the beginning, public glimpses of the investigators’ work prompted serious questions. “What has bothered me is the unscientific, bumbling approach of our investigators,” said Representative Rush D. Holt, a Democrat and physicist whose New Jersey district includes the contaminated Princeton mailbox.

Mr. Holt said in a recent interview that his first doubts came after anthrax was found in his Congressional office in October 2001 but investigators never returned to conduct systematic testing to trace the path of the anthrax spores.

After that, he said, when contamination at a New Jersey postal processing center indicated that the letters had been mailed on one of a limited number of routes, it took investigators seven months to test several hundred mailboxes and identify the source.

“Within two days they could have dispatched 50 people to wipe all those mailboxes,” Mr. Holt said. He wrote to Robert S. Mueller III, the F.B.I. director, on Friday to ask that he testify to Congress about the investigation as soon as it is closed.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:45 AM

@seanmcbride

I think it is safe to conclude that a few people here, possibly coordinating their efforts, are trying to disrupt Glenn Greenwald's blog and take our eye off the ball regarding the key issues in the Ivins' case

First of all, if you have a problem with a poster, you have to use the e-mail address for that purpose. It's below the comments box you gift us in. The e-mail you send rings a buzzer at Salon which wakes up the editors, if they're not too smashed, and they attend to the problem. But they can be grouchy as hell if you wake them up after lunch. Use your best judgement.

And damn, man, my posts have been much more extensive and much more disruptive. If we don't find the Anthrax killer here, it'll probably be my fault. And if we don't even try to solve the case, but instead converse on the columns Glenn wrote on the nature of the media coverage of the event, and the actions taken by the principle agencies in the case, I would sure as hell complain to Salon.

Don't forget to blame me.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:46 AM

I just browsed the few post of sean here –

and could not find a single one who even comes close to a post of LWM - not none.

I think it is safe to conclude that he - possible coordinated by himself is trying to disrupt glenns blog and take of our eyes of the ball regarding the issues i dont want to repeat again because i have repeated myself again!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:54 AM

Ivins, porn (gay?) , and Comprehensive Counseling Associates

Comprehensive Counseling Associates, where Duley conducted group therapy sessions, specializes in ADD and depression - based on his daughter's clinical depression, it's not much of a stretch to guess this is why Ivins attended.

CCA has locations conveniently close to Ft. Detrick. It's chief psychiatrist/practice owner is Dr. Allan Levy, about whom I wasn't able to learn much.

Even for someone of Ivins' generation, receiving vanilla porn at a po box under an assumed name seems unusual. This is pure, unadulterated speculation, but I am going to venture a wild, unsubstantiated guess the porn wasn't so vanilla - if it was wildly kinky or gay (or worst of all, wild gay kink), this would certainly have been a source of psychological conflict/depression in someone with a deep investment in being publicly straight. It would also have meant a deeper, darker secret for the FBI to exploit if in fact Ivins was set up.

I have wondered why, if Ivins was innocent and simply being harassed, he didn't leave some clear statement for his friends and family protesting his innocence, even if he was at his wits' end. Having a secret side he was ashamed of might explain that.

PS: I know the "closeted gay" argument would be much more convincing if Ivins was a Republican, but you work with what you've got.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:56 AM

@art guerilla

The "baileywick" of LWM's was a joke. Perhaps it was brittle jest, but was it not all the more sparkling for that?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:56 AM

Don't worry Sean

At least they haven't gotten to deleting whatever they disagree with, re: your posts, yet. They will though.

I for one think Glenn should charge to comment on his blog. There are plenty here who would pay and it would eliminate all that diversity of opinion, reality and facts they loathe so much. They're missing a good source of revenue by bothering to allow anyone post, deleting whatever they don't like and doing it all for free.

They already have the mechanism to do it, just tie all comments to Salon Premium membership. Increase the fee about $10/month to add Glenn's blogs here.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 11:57 AM

The Camel Club and the 9/11 Anthrax Attacks

Time Magazine began to sniff around the truth back in early 2002, but subsequently backed off. Why?

http://tinyurl.com/6m6sl7

Anthrax: The Hunt Narrows

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Assaad's troubles, though, didn't stop with his departure from the lab. In late September, he was the subject of an anonymous letter that was forwarded to the FBI. The note had highly specific details about Assaad and claimed he was preparing a biological attack. It was sent before the first anthrax case broke.

The timing is deeply suspicious. And since Assaad is Egyptian born, he would seem to make a perfect fall guy. FBI agents met with him on Oct. 3 and, after a 45-minute interview, told him they were convinced the letter was a hoax. Assaad says he is sure he was being set up by the real anthrax killer to take the blame for the attacks.

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Whichever member of the Camel Club was harassing Assaad is a good suspect for having written the 9/11 anthrax attack letters:

THIS IS NEXT

TAKE PENACILIN NOW

DEATH TO AMERICA

DEATH TO ISRAEL

ALLAH IS GREAT

YOU CAN NOT STOP US.

WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.

YOU DIE NOW.

ARE YOU AFRAID?

DEATH TO AMERICA.

DEATH TO ISRAEL.

ALLAH IS GREAT.

It is highly improbable that Bruce Ivins was harassing Assaad -- is there any evidence from the FBI that he was?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:04 PM

Duley's story

Duley's story in the Frederick Post -

http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78406

Duley was concerned because she said she knew him so well, so she tried to get as many details about the attacks as possible. The next day, July 10, she called the Frederick Police Department who removed him from USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and had him committed to Frederick Memorial Hospital.

On July 11, he called her twice just before 4:30 a.m. She told the court the first message was just "sort of a ranting, blaming me for having this done to him. It was sort of just rambling." In the second message Ivins told her "obviously we no longer have a therapeutic relationship and how could I do this to him."

After he was transferred to Sheppard Pratt Health System, a psychiatric hospital in Baltimore, he called her again at 11:25 a.m. July 12.

"That one was rather scary," Duley said in the recording. "He very calmly thanked me for ruining his life and opening ... allowing the FBI to now be able to prosecute him for the murders and that it was all my fault. And É it's going to be my fault that they can now get him."

Drawbaugh did not enter the telephone recordings into evidence for the court because FBI agents had taken them for their investigation.

Ivins was supposed to have a permanent commitment hearing at Sheppard Pratt, but Duley said his attorney advised him to check himself in voluntarily so that he may leave when he wished. Drawbaugh told the court he probably was being released from the hospital as the hearing was going on. --

She decided to get the peace order after an FBI agent working the case suggested it.

Drawbaugh: "At this time, Ms. Duley, are you fearful for your personal safety?"

Duley: "I am and so is the FBI."

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