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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation

The media's key witness as to the psychological state of Bruce Ivins -- Jean Carol Duley -- has a lengthy history that undermines her credibility.

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Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:45 AM

chowderSF

-Bruce E. Ivins, the government's leading suspect in the 2001 anthrax killings, borrowed from a bioweapons lab that fall freeze-drying equipment that allows scientists to quickly convert wet germ cultures into dry spores, **according to sources briefed on the case**. -

There are those unnamed sources again.

The fucking FBI has been leaking their case like a sieve for the past 48 hours.

These are the talking-points distributed in real-time for the AM radio nuts and FOX and ABC and CNN in preparation for today's press release.

Watch them all fall neatly into line.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:48 AM

@northwestwoods

I'm sorry but you should try to seek out as much footage as you can of WTC 7 and the massive gaping hole in its front (facing the rest of the WTC complex). It was really fucked up. And on fire. And everybody knew it was a'gonna collapse. And it did. Sorry, but those buildings were not made to withstand what they were subjected to, planes or not.

If I'm way off base re: what I think to be your opinion just group me in with sugarman and the rest of the alcoholics (j/k I'm not one of them - - - yet), but I'm on your side. Believe me.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:51 AM

General Zod

the towers are still there but concealed from view

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:52 AM

Lyophilizer

A lyophilizer is actually a device that uses temperature and vacuum to draw water out of substances. I used to use one in a manufacturing process to produce ampules of dried ATP (adenosine triphosphate). It does not do any grinding itself. Through temperature and pressure changes water is drawn out of the material of interest and removed from the resulting atmosphere inside the lyophilizer. It is a long process, several hours, depending on the material.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:52 AM

hey -

General !- heads up - never retreat never complain - this is the 'antrax front' and we have to get through this war and ig everybody is sober again and the dogs don't smell the irvin or the duley anymore there will plenty of ways to rejoice!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:53 AM

OK, Whatever

Sigh. Did you read my theory on the real 9/11 conspiracy?

Who exactly set the charges, NWW?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:55 AM

Background info

Here are a couple of links for good background info:

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/detect/antdetect_intro.html

And that link has this link at the bottom of the page:

http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:57 AM

Mooser

-I'm pretty sure a high wind produced more side and twisting forces on those towers than the jet, which was chewed up like brie through a cheese grater.-

The skin of a 757 is the about same gauge of aluminum foil as my hat.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 06:59 AM

Is that THE General Zod, stationed in Dugway Utah, under contract with Battelle?

Didn't think you'd be up so early, old boy!

The therapist is fishy, no doubt about it - do we see public statements from therapists after school shootings and other violent incidents? No, we don't. Cho in Virginia, Harris & Kobold in Columbine - no, we didn't see their therapists on the tube spilling confidential discussions out of context, did we?

Let's say you go to your therapist, and you say, "I feel like I'm being harrassed at work, just constantly, and I'm so upset." Therapist responds - "do you ever have any other thoughts?" You respond, "I'm so upset I've had fantasies of shooting the people who are putting me through this!" - and then your therapist goes on national TV: "He's an insane killer!" Riiight.

The whole thing is bogus. The facts of the matter are that the FBI and Army researchers were closing in on the culprit - back in Dec 2001. Numerous press reports, all centering around the weekend of Dec 21 2001, confirm this. And then? The FBI lead team was fired and replaced with Richard Lambert - this guy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/17/politics/17anthrax.html

Now, the very same people at the FBI who dropped the Dugway/Battelle investigation in favor of the Hatfill goose chase are now doing the exact same thing with respect to Ivins.

It's not going to work. The focus is going to come back to Project Bioshield and the private contractors who partner with the U.S. biowarfare program.

Then we can start discussing U.S. violations of international biowarfare treaties, and the refusal of the Bush Administration to expand those treaties, citing "the need to protect the intellectual property rights of private corporations that partner with the federal government."

Right, General? Now, back to your talking points, PR monkey.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:03 AM

@ CargoCult...HAHA

I actually mentioned Zack as a possible source dude. So please what is your point? I'm not on anyone's side here, least of all the friggin' government or one of their contractors. I don't know much about it but I still think calling this therapist lady's lifestyle into question is taking us down the wrong road.

When did this become a conspiracy theorist hang out?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:05 AM

and dont worry about the cargo dude -

he already holds the 'Over the Cliff price in his hands!

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:05 AM

@General Zod

What has gone out of control? And out of whose control?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:10 AM

I guess I'm just "young" and stupid...

Whatever. I'm done here. I hope you all solve this and get the right answers from the right people. Seriously, more power to you. I am as interested in it as you are.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:12 AM

One more point from the Shane article

They found that Dr. Ivins, who had a history of alcohol abuse

Had a full autopsy been conducted, this claim could have been substantiated. It could account for Ivins being particularly sensitive to Tylenol poisoning if he indeed did have a long-term alcohol problem, as both acetamenophen and alcohol target the liver. A randomly found article I found when googling "autopsy liver Tylenol damage alcohol" is here:

http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/2000/01_00/draganov.shtml

The bottom line is that a thorough examination of his liver on autopsy would have shed much light on this claim.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:15 AM

you guys -

have to be careful now - because if it goes on like that Friedensreich Freudenberger wants to register on this blog too - and if you thought i am a pest you should wait until he hits the

'tastastur' he believes Bush is an Alien and he has all THE FACTS for it - so Glenn probably would have to shut down the thread or move to Kappa Kappa.

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