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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation

The media's key witness as to the psychological state of Bruce Ivins -- Jean Carol Duley -- has a lengthy history that undermines her credibility.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 06:30 PM

@Glenn

Salon has no recourse if something is taken from their magazine?

And if I remember, Josh Marshall said the same thing in the similiar circumstances a few years ago- that he would rather they credit TPM, but would rather see his work used without credit than not used at all.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:33 PM

@RMP

I have always loved the truth, even when it is about myself.

That's funny, I had all the mirrors taken out of the house a few years ago. Truth's pretty good, but mercy is better.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:34 PM

Glenn

"I strongly prefer that they (Countdown) use what I find/write with no credit than not use it at all."

You reputation grows by what you give, not get. And, you give a lot. In time, all givers are rewarded.

Countdown's audience and our nation are grateful beneficiaries and as time goes on, some of the members of the misguided M$M will learn to be grateful as well.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:42 PM

@Mooser

Just because I love the truth about myself doesn’t mean I always like it when I first hear it. Your image can grow on you if you just have a little mercy. I imagine you get a lot of pleaing for mercy experience with your better half.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:42 PM

@macgupta

I thought he was committed on the 10th, changed to voluntary admission on the 16th, and having signed out or been released on the 24th. That's per Duley at the hearing which could be inaccurate or I heard wrong.

I don't know if taking a voluntary admission in lieu of commitment always makes it easier to get out. Voluntary admissions sign themselves out, but I would think that in a case as serious as Duley claimed, going against doctor's advice could result in further involuntary commitment.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:43 PM

Boston_Patriot

I hear you.

I have read David Ray Griffen and other materials and I'm not at all a denier of some or several of those theories, in fact I am much more of a proponent than anything. As he said, (paraphrase) 'given the scrutiny of qualified independent analysis, the Administration's version of events surrounding 9/11 appears to be the most radical conspiracy theory of all'.

I appreciate your passion for and interest in the aforementioned.

The focus here today, though, is to get to this anthrax issue out there in spite of, but preferably in partnership with some segment the media that has something to gain from helping to expose the truth.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:44 PM

@ Heru-ur

On top of all that; what the hell is the US doing shipping anthrax around the country using commercial package services? I have had computer parts shipped to me via that service. Damn.

There are a number of commercial carriers that offer their services for transport of materials that are broadly categorized as "Dangerous Goods". These types of shipments are a necessary part of the research that needs to happen on these organisms. These shipments can include pathogenic organisms up to and including those in Category A such as Bacillus anthracis.

There are strict guidelines for the proper shipping of these materials and personnel performing shipping tasks are to be recertified every two years. Heavy fines have been imposed for violations of the proper regulations.

Regulations regarding not only shipping, but also handling and storage of biological pathogens, changed dramatically after 9/11 and the anthrax attacks.

Did it change enough to keep us truly safe? I'd bet not. After all, regulation is not their forte.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:51 PM

New York Post has another source beside Duley -- Ivins' putative gun supplier

Over at lucianne.com, they're talking about the NY Post story linked to my sig.

In his final years, as the FBI began closing in on him as their prime suspect, the mild-mannered scientist purchased two high-powered handguns at a shop a block away from his Frederick, Md., Cape Cod-style home.

Jack Moberly, manager of The Gun Center, told The Post Ivins acted "nervous" and "rocked back and forth on his legs" as he purchased a .40-caliber Glock 27 pistol in 2005. He claimed he wanted the firearm for target shooting.

A few weeks later, he returned to the shop, and exchanged the gun for a .40-caliber Glock 23 because, he said, the Glock 27 felt too small in his hand.

Several months after that, Moberly said, Ivins again entered the store, this time to buy a spare gun, another Glock model.

The story portrays a recluse who lives within walking distance of work and his gun merchant and who amuses himself with trivial letters to his smalltown newspaper.

Isn't the Post a Murdoch rag? So this must be the official government version of the story.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:52 PM

Glenn

-Tom Brokow'- (sp)

That's 'Tom Brokaw'

That's twice, Greenwild.

Tom

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:59 PM

"FBI recommends that Justice declare the anthrax case closed"

Now, look at what they're trying to pull.

"Anthrax Investigation: Case Closed?

DOJ Could Decide to Close the Case, but Some are Skeptical After Past Missteps

By PIERRE THOMAS, JACK DATE and THERESA COOK

Aug. 4, 2008

The FBI has recommended that the Justice Department close the investigation into the 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people and sickened 17, and the department could make its decision as early as tomorrow, federal law enforcement sources tell ABC News."

The sorority story is now front page web news on CNN, FOX, CBS, MSNBC - all lifted right from the AP article by Lara Lakes Jordan and Matt Apuzzo, with contributions from Geoff Mulvihill and David Dishneau - give their office a call and let them know what you think at 301-791-5246.

How do anonymous claims by Justice and FBI officials merit immediate broadcast like this? This is the worst-managed PR campaign in history - do they expect ANYONE to believe this?

Monday, August 4, 2008 07:06 PM

Posner on Countdown

9/11 expert Gerald Posner gives his views on the weaknesses of the Ivins investigation. (see sig)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#26015772

Monday, August 4, 2008 07:14 PM

It's the message not the messenger ...

... that matters.

"I strongly prefer that they (Countdown) use what I find/write with no credit than not use it at all." GG

That, fellow American, is what makes you ... one of the best. That's my last fanboy post till the next :)

"How do anonymous claims by Justice and FBI officials merit immediate broadcast like this? This is the worst-managed PR campaign in history - do they expect ANYONE to believe this?"

-- CargoCult

Yep, works like a charm. Amazing but true.

I think KO's show tonight did an ok job of covering this. Wish he would have Daschle and Leahy on just to remind people of the context of the events. That seems to have been lost.

And GG also, I demand that you and KO kiss and make up!

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