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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation

The media's key witness as to the psychological state of Bruce Ivins -- Jean Carol Duley -- has a lengthy history that undermines her credibility.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 05:52 PM

Posner on Countdown

Worth watching.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25978251

Posner + KO.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 05:55 PM

WSWS : News & Analysis : North America Mounting questions over US anthrax probe and scientist’s alleged suicide

My friends over at the World Socialist Web Site weigh in on the train Glenn got started. Or at least help get started. I am not a socialist, but they have been reliably accurate on governmental misdeeds over these last 7 years.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/aug2008/anth-a04.shtml

One week after an Army germ warfare scientist apparently committed suicide, there are mounting questions over the government’s handling of the investigation into the 2001 anthrax attacks and expressions of skepticism regarding the sensationalized media coverage of the past four days.

Colleagues and friends of Dr. Bruce Ivins, who died Tuesday from an overdose of prescription Tylenol he had taken two days earlier, have cast doubt on the claims by the FBI and Justice Department that Ivins perpetrated the anthrax attacks. They have also debunked many of the claims made in initial news reports about Ivins’ death.

Ivins’ lawyer, Paul Kemp, sent an email to news organizations Saturday denouncing reports that his client was considering a plea bargain to avoid a death sentence for the anthrax mailings, calling such reports “entirely spurious.” Kemp had been contacted by federal investigators—the FBI interviewed Ivins several times over the past year as well as searching his home—but there was no discussion of a possible plea.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 05:59 PM

Re: Posner on Countdown

Sorry, link is from old segment. Will post correct link when it is up.

Monday, August 4, 2008 05:59 PM

I'll try, Little Brother

Since you asked nicely. :)

But I consider the anthrax attacks part of the events of 9/11, and also was making the point that we have been fed utter garbage for years and have swallowed it without question. Would you have complained about a reference to WMDs, which at least had some possibility of being true?

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:03 PM

@Heru-ur, and You and Her

I think there is a large disagreement. You see, several here, and one in particular, do not belive my statement

Point them out to me when they come around. I'll try persuasion, but if they don't embrace pacifism after 2 posts I'll beat the crap outta them. Every goddam option is on the table.

The engineers I know hardly write anymore. Okay, the engineer (1) I know hardly writes anymore I know that may not be typical, but they click the mouse and they type. With so much being done on computer I'm not sure if the calligraphy and drawing skills which were so much a part of science are still so important.

But I think we're wandering, really.

One thing that bothers me is the assumption that Brian Ross' "sources" were actually all that high up. I wonder?

The alacrity with which the media has accepted and promulgated every Bush administration canard leaves me to wonder if they just didn't get an unsigned e-mail. Or someone who called up and said "I am a very high-ranking scientist, and it came from Iraq" And then hung up.

I mean, it was that part of the movie, the part where the super villian commits at-first-seen-as unconnected atrocities until he announces the doomsday weapon and itemises his demands. (No green M&M's! Ever again!)

As I remember that time, it wasn't whether things were true, it was whether they fit the plot line.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:04 PM

I can't help myself....

This is just fascinating. A legal, psychological and scientific mystery.

A lot has been made of the Duley hearing, and I think that it should be looked at in conjunction with the story (true or not?) that the FBI was going around Ivins' home town spreading the lie that he had faked his own death, and therefore asking for information about Ivins.

Duley's affidavit and the recording of her hearing really sound like she was repeating shit that had been planted in her brain. I can imagine the FBI whispering all this stuff in her ear, telling her she was in danger.. etc. You get the idea.

Well, I hope the FBI can't trace MY email address.......

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:06 PM

"I am not a socialist"

There's always a wet blanket at every party.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:11 PM

@dvw

Posner on Countdown questioned the timeline which is something like:

July 10 - Ivins is committed

July 16 - Ivins signs himself out

July 24 - Duley files her stuff

Among the questions are - if Ivins was so terrifying why did Duley wait a week? And of course, how did Ivins get to sign himself out?

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:13 PM

It just never ends, does it?

At this point, we don't dare trust most anything coming from either the MSM or the government.

We have idiots sending white powder in envelopes to people they don't like.

We have a messianic nihilist in the White House, and geriatric warmonger running to replace him.

Our lawmakers have made law that legitimizes what was previously illegal, an action supported by the only viable alternative to the above.

There are 130,000+ hostages to fortune in Iraq, recklessly endangered by said nihilist.

Will someone please tell me if life has always been this insane, or are we simply cursed to live in Interesting Times?

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:23 PM

LT Bohica

GG should be flattered as well as pissed at the cribbing.

That happens constantly on that show and has for a long time. They've credited my blog several times, but far more often than not, they just take from it and don't. People think, for whatever reasons, that they can take from things they read on the Internet without having to credit it -- only newspapers and magazines merit credit.

I know for a fact that producers from that show read my blog regularly and use things all the time. And while they should credit things, I strongly prefer that they use what I find/write with no credit than not use it at all.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:24 PM

@Iokannan in the Well

In my case, I know a hell of a lot more about the truth and rely a lot less on the M$M. The truth is scary. Even so, I have always loved the truth, even when it is about myself.

Monday, August 4, 2008 06:25 PM

@

Just repeat to yourself, over and over, "Everything is for the best in this best of all possible worlds". That's what I do.

If you want to add "Every day in every way I am getting better and better", be my guest. I'm always for self-improvement. For others, not me. It's not that I couldn't use it (a whole lot of it) I'm afraid of starting one of those change reactions Like Iran wants to do and blowing up. My wife wouldn't clean up the mess.

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