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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation

The media's key witness as to the psychological state of Bruce Ivins -- Jean Carol Duley -- has a lengthy history that undermines her credibility.

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Monday, August 4, 2008 02:41 PM

Public Library Relinquished Computers Without Court Order

This doesn't seem to have been addressed, but it's also worrisome:

Among that evidence are two computers used by the public at the C. Burr Artz Public Library in downtown Frederick, according to Frederick County's library director. The FBI removed the computers from the library's second floor last week, Darrell Batson told the Frederick News-Post.

Batson, who could not be reached for comment yesterday, told the News-Post that the two agents who requested the computers did not have a court order but persuaded him nonetheless to surrender the computers. The agents did not mention Ivins, anthrax or Fort Detrick, Batson said, but he would not discuss what they did say.

From the Wash. Post story today (link at my name)

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:46 PM

Duley was also scheduled to testify

According to that Smoking Gun document, Duley was scheduled to testify before a Grand Jury on 8/1.

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:49 PM

Whats even worse is that tomorrow morning ...

All of Ivins' colleagues at Ft. Dietrich will go to work knowing fully what a complete travesty this is, and none of them will speak up. They will quietly go about their anthrax vaccine business silently and smugly pretending that they are protecting the public from some unseen threat. Is their going to be a wave of resignations and the singing of whistle blowers? Of course not, they all have their illustrious careers to preserve.

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:52 PM

fire set to music

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/
x3dhvp_madrid-skyscraper-burning-set-to-mu_events

"Madrid skyscraper (Windsor Tower) caught fire in February 2005 but it did not fall though the fire raged for hours.

This is what a building on fire looks like. The difference between the WTC Twin Towers and the Madrid tower is amazing. One is definitely on fire throughout its whole length from top to bottom, the other has small weak oxygen-starved fires on six storeys.

Fire started at the 21st Floor, spreading to all floors above the 2nd Floor. Fire duration: 18 ~ 20 hours"

That's the one I was thinking of. Watch it and then try to believe the bullshit your government passes off as the official version of 9-11. You have to be a Chaney lover to believe the crap they put out, sorta like yellow-cake!, go to war!

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:52 PM

LWM--"It's the final straw for me."

Don't mind me, I'm just drive-by posting while working furiously on a research project.

That being said, what's your next move?

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:54 PM

@wingspan too re: whistleblowers

There are not only no protections for whistleblowers, but those scientists may themselves realize that they are in danger, imminent or long range. The evidence points toward Ivins being intimidated, harassed, and tormented to his death, and that's nurder, even if it was his hand that put the medication to his mouth (which is not known).

To blithely call for others to whistleblow without concomitantly offering them the means and resources to protect themselves is not an honorable act. Yet it seems to be the "American way."

Monday, August 4, 2008 02:56 PM

@ Boston_Patriot

I actually think you may be more intelligent than hu-hu.

He is a person that hates government so much, he will believe any fantasy, revisionist junk history or conspiracy theory that puts government in a bad light. He goes so far as to call Abraham Lincoln a "Tyrant," a monster and a champion of oppression by making up myths to create false heroes out of the tyrants and oppressors Lincoln crushed.

He saw newspaper reports of the period that prove his assertions! And we all know how reliable the press is.

I just look at the words of his heroes:

Alexander H. Stephens, Jefferson Davis' Vice President's infamously revealing and aptly titled Cornerstone Speech, delivered on March 21, 1861 in Savannah, Georgia in which he stated that the American Revolution had been based on a premise that was "fundamentally wrong." That premise was, as Stephens defined it, "the assumption of equality of the races."

Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew."

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth... They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.

http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=76

John C. Calhoun's ridiculous attack on the Declaration of Independence in the odious Oregon Bill Speech:

http://www.teachingamericanhistory.org/library/index.asp?document=944

And Calhoun in another speech: "With us the two great divisions of society are not the rich and the poor, but white and black..."

With our convictions and our strength, emancipation here is an impossibility to man, whether by persuasion, purchase or coercion. The Rock of Gibraltar does not stand so firm on its basis as our slave system.

James H. Hammond, U.S. Senator from South Carolina from a speech delivered at Barnwell Court House, Oct. 27, 1858

And confederate currency of the period, replete with depictions of slavery featured prominently on it. Both sides.

http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/beyondfacevalue/beyondfacevalue.htm

But he is a champion of freedom and liberty. I say he is a nutbar. You are welcome to join him. Makes no difference to me.

Monday, August 4, 2008 03:01 PM

In any case, since 9/11 ...

There has certainly been an air of "holier than thou" among all branches of the military. The stench of this affair should at least cause some of those uniformed and non-uniformed military servants to take time to pause and think. If they are not at least going to ask some questions about this affair, they could at least cut the "patriotism" crap and say, "hey, we are just here for a paycheck to pay the mortgage." That's really all I ask.

Monday, August 4, 2008 03:03 PM

Speaking to us from Brazil

Go, Glenn! The geography sure hasn't hurt your work. Great writing and exemplary sourcing. Can you give us a sense of the mass information scene and civil liberties vis a vis the US, if the language barrier isn't too much of an impairment? Are you talking to local bloggers and indy media folk? Talk about being in the hot scene. Forget Beijing. Give us Rio! And all the other hemisphere got was boring old Obama.

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