thanks! that NYP piece is quite silly.

"He had a master's degree and a Ph.D. - he thought he was a big deal," Tom Ivins said. "He had the feeling that he was lord and God and everything."

Ivins remained devoted to his mother even after he moved away to work for the Army. He fed and nursed her as she was dying of cancer in 1979, caring more for her than his own father, according to his brother.

"He was completely dedicated to her," Tom said.

He was surprised when Ivins married.

"He was a wussy, not a woman's man. He wasn't sociable. He wasn't attracted to the opposite sex. I don't know how he married that woman," he said.

So according to the brother, Ivins was gay, too.

But, worse---the bastard had a PhD! Damn him!

WASHINGTON -- Authorities say the top suspect in the 2001 anthrax attacks was obsessed with a sorority that sat less than 100 yards away from a New Jersey mailbox where the toxin-laced letters were sent.

Multiple U.S. officials told The Associated Press on Monday that former Army scientist Bruce Ivins was long obsessed with the sorority Kappa Kappa Gamma, going back as far as his own college days at the University of Cincinnati.

The officials all spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

The bizarre link to the sorority may indirectly explain one of the biggest mysteries in the case: why the anthrax was mailed from Princeton, N.J., 195 miles from the Army biological weapons lab the anthrax is believed to have been smuggled out of.

What other circumstantial details can we come up with?

Why didn't he put the sorority as the return address? If he was truly that simple, why make things unnecessarily complex? In any case, the geography of Princeton is that you can take Amtrack to Princeton Junction and take a 5 minute trolley ride to downtown Princeton. The mailer could have been about anywhere on the East coast and easily mailed the envelope from that location without even owning a car. I will always believe that that is the significance of Princeton. The perp had no car and wanted to mail it as far from his own city as possible.

John Lear, son of the inventor of the Lear Jet, accomplished pilot and tinfoil hat wearing nutbar and member of the Pilots for 9/11 Truth on Art Bell discussing Atlantis, Aliens and UFOs and whatever else a person off their meds discusses.

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm

I'd find Duley or Ivins a more credible witness. Even Attorney, eh?! Scratch the surface of most of these Truthers and there is either a totally gullible fool or a total nutbar there.

I keep an open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out. I look at all the possibilities. I don't outright deny the improbabilities but I am a skeptic. I don't even bother with the impossibilities. Not enough time to waste.

Your are trying to debate with a man who loves government as long as his side is in charge, and can not imagine government ever "really" doing anything as evil as your facts suggest. Hence, he calls the facts "insane". You are dealing with a man who seems to know "insane" from the inside out. :-)

By the way, I once watched video of a skyscraper that burned all night and lit up the sky with the fire. It was an awesome fire, and I use awesome in the original meaning of the word. The thing was still standing when the fire finally went out. Just a steel frame in the sky, but still standing. As I remember, it happened over in Asia.

No steel framed building has ever come down due to a fire; no, not even in NYC. Only people who think a real man lived who could walk on water and raise the dead believes the government on WTC-7 issue. Or, on the anthrax issue either.

yes - I want to know where Duley got her information about Ivins. Did he tell her he was a homocidal sociopath from way back when, or did the FBI feed her that to influence her/scare her?

Did the FBI also offer her a million or so and a new sportscar to rat on Ivins? No, his son wasn't interested, but this woman has had financial problems... that's one I'd like someone to ask her, too.

At what point did she begin a professional relationship with him? From what is available, the earliest would be 6 mos. ago.

If you read the links in a previous post I included (Duley and other info) the FBI went to his hometown, where he had no lived in 30 years, and where he had only visited twice and asked townspeople questions (claiming they were investigating insurance fraud b/c they said he had faked his own death) and repeatedly tried to lead the people they questioned, at least it seemed so to me.

The FBI asked people about Princeton/the sorority - in order, of course, to be able to establish a reason for him to be in that area - leading them astray wasn't enough, I suppose.

So, imagine the FBI questioning Duley about Ivins.. Did he ever tell you he stalked sorority girls at Princeton? Did he ever mention trips there (oh, that's where he mailed the anthrax, okay?)

And then Duley parrots information from them at the restraining order hearing (suggested by the FBI) to make her case as strong as possible so the judge will understand why she is frightened (and I DO believe she was frightened.)

So, when did the FBI go to Ivins' hospitalized daughter and show her anthrax photos and claim her father did that? When did they try to bribe his son? I ask because I wonder if these things occurred near the time of the "group meeting" when he talked about revenge and going out in a blaze of glory since, obviously, the FBI was trying to frame him.

You don't offer to bribe people if you have a solid case, do you?

One interesting and useful thing about this entire incident is that we can see how the FBI operates. Guilty because they say so. Ready to smear a person, ready to destroy them in order to wrap up a case. Willing to destroy someone's already ill child. Either lacking or prohibited from using analytical skills to look at various options in such a case.

If this case is the level at which they operate as a matter of course, then it would seem they're a danger to the citizens of this nation.

oh, and regarding patient/client confidentiality - Homeland Security/The Patriot Act trumps that, just as it trumps the right to privacy, a speedy trial, free speech... the govt. can put you in jail if you don't cooperate with them even when you have no idea what they're doing or for what reason - in any profession.

Bush has removed protection under the law whenever his thugs want to pursue someone for whatever reason. Ivins WAS lucky... he didn't get sent to Gitmo or Turkey or Poland for torture. I guess he had too much professional standing and imp. contacts for them to consider that. Just another example of class privilege, as in drug arrests, imprisonment and a host of other areas.