The last time I saw this many frames was at MOMA! First, government bureaucrats tried to frame Saddam Hussein for the anthrax attacks. Then they tried to frame Stephen Hatfill.

Why is the government so eager to pin the blame on a lone actor?

According to Duley, Ivins was a

"sociopathic, homicidal killer"

"purchased a gun and bullet proof vest"

"wanted to roam the streets stabbing people"

"a revenge killer, especially against women.."

I think she forgot to say that he pulls the wings off flies and bites the heads off little kittens.

If it turns out that Ivins' statement at group can be confirmed by other patients, doctors or recordings, or if he directly threatened violence in the messages that Duley claims the FBI has copies of, then all of this Duley crap is going to look very stupid and petty.

It's all we have to go on, and it's being made to bear a lot of weight, and it seems insufficient to bear it.

So, no, it won't look stupid and petty. If other evidence exists, let it be brought forth into the sunlight.

But your complaint will. (sorry!)

Glenn, you wrote:

There are two ways Ivins is being accused and convicted in the media -- (1) claims that the FBI has mountains of evidence against him and (2) depictions that underneath his mild-mannered scientist facade lurked a crazed, disturbed killer.

Jean Duley is absolutely the leading witness -- the only witness -- for proposition (2)

The other witness is Tom Ivins, who told the LA Times and AP that Bruce "considered himself like a god" and claimed to have "sung like a canary" to the FBI, despite not having spoken to his brother since 1985.

The Associated Press has an article on this today where they quote Duley's words in the Maryland restraining order:

"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, plans and actions towards therapists," Duley wrote in court documents last week, adding that his psychiatrist had described him as homicidal and sociopathic.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080803/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/anthrax_scientist

I guess that shows the "good taste" some of the posters here like in their news stories. Ugly realities (unlike accusing an innocent man of mass-murder) need to be scrubbed clean.

The distance from Frederick Municipal Airport (right outside Frederick MD) to Trenton Mercer Airport (right outside Princeton NJ) is 128.7 nautical miles.

Yes, but wouldn't that be much more conspicuous/traceable?

The distance from Frederick Municipal Airport (right outside Frederick MD) to Trenton Mercer Airport (right outside Princeton NJ) is 128.7 nautical miles.

Yes, but wouldn't that be much more conspicuous/traceable?

derived from their practice, most groups have some commonality. We have been told that Ivins was depressed. We have been told the Duley was involved in a substance abuse diversion program and substance abuse issues. Did Ivins have a history of subtance abuse? Was Duley's group an anonymous 12-step type group? An acknowledged substance abuse problem probably would not result in job loss ... nor would depression ... "homicidal threats," "homicidal behavior" almost certainly.

Duley made a number of very serious, quite specific allegations in her application for the peace order and, several days later, there is ZERO corroboration by anyone.

She has apparently made no attempt to correct published misrepresentations of her credentials.

In my experience, the substance abuse recovery community has all sorts of lay counselors who often hold powerful positions of trust. I'm glad to find she is a social worker, but that's not terribly high in the food chain. Fine for substance abuse or grief counseling, likely inadequate to deal with an alleged homicidal maniac.

I want to know the names of the emminent psychiatrists whose alleged diagnoses she entered into the record.

While confidentiality may preclude her discussing Mr. Ivins, some clarification of matters seems overdue.

It brings out the likes of Boston Patriot. (Oddly enough, the site of a famous false flag op - the Boston Tea Party). The fact that isolated lunatics in our own government have entertained these insane and bizarre ideas at various times in our history - Lemnitzer with Operation Northwoods and now Cheney more recently, and albeit a much higher placed isolated lunatic in our government, an elected one at that - does not prove they are SOP. In both cases, cooler heads prevailed and these insane plans were shot down, usually ending the careers of those who proposed them. I've never suggested they don't happen. I just don't see them behind every event like some here do. It is the inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality and a simple minded desire to have simple explanations and answers for very complex sets of questions about many disparate events. He's got the GUCT bug. It's a paranoid mindset. Do you need to read Hofstadter's "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" again? When you see conspiracies where there are none it makes it easier to discredit those who find evidence of them where they actually are. I'm sorry but the evidence that 9/11 was an inside job just isn't there and there is no way any of the insane theories about controlled demolitions and remote controlled planes or cruise missiles pan out. They only detract from the real questions remaining about the Anthrax mailings.

I read Willman's latest this morning in the LATimes (which I have delivered to my home for reasons I constantly question)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-anthrax4-2008aug04,0,5223525.story

It was bizarre. The article tries to create the idea that high-tech genetic testing (unavailable in the early stages of the investigation) ascertain that only Ivins at Ft. Detrick could have perpetrated the attacks.

But then Willman's goes on to talk about how sourcing for the anthrax used by Ivins came from Dugway Proving Ground and that Battelle was involved (because they ran Dugway). It seems absurd to state categorically that the keystone cops at the FBI could definitively pin anything on Ivins when the alleged sourcing implicated BOTH Dugway and Battelle as well. Rather than narrowing the suspects, it would seem to suggest a widening to those locations.

One has to believe that Willman is the next Judith Miller. He is loving the scoops but has no idea he is being manipulated by others. And of course, none of his readers will ever know it.