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Monday, August 4, 2008 12:00 AM

Additional key facts re: the anthrax investigation

The media's key witness as to the psychological state of Bruce Ivins -- Jean Carol Duley -- has a lengthy history that undermines her credibility.

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008 12:10 PM

Orson:

Your rage against the machine is grossly overstated. The very least you could do if you'd like to be taken seriously with your input would be not to label two DUI's as "traffic tickets". They're not "traffic tickets".

Wednesday, August 6, 2008 09:59 AM

LWM on Thomas Jefferson

I studied Thomas Jefferson at the leading center for American Studies in the world, know Jefferson's writings inside out, and never claimed he made that quote. Why, precisely, are you calling me a "cretinous boob"?

Wednesday, August 6, 2008 04:27 AM

Question Everything!

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

by Thomas Jefferson

Especially quotes falsely attributed to Thomas Jefferson. He never said most of the crap you people attribute to him. I quite certain it was Wendell Berry who said that. Never trus a quotation you find on the internet unless it is cited, sourced and you can find it in a copy of an original signed document.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Berry

Jeebus! Sean Macbride is a cretinous boob.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 07:39 PM

@Zod

to see what will stick.

That was my impression. That, and that people convinced that Zack must have done it have to overcome the gap between his infractions and the attacks. These substances have a shelf life.

More at sig.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 03:31 PM

Disney = Fox in a tuxedo

Disney is a right wing corporation that conspired with others to elect George W. Bush president, one that hires hacks such as George Stephanopoulos to regurgitate attacks on Obama, Pelosi and other Democrats. Why should Glenn Greenwald be surprised that they are operating as a mouthpiece for the administration?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 02:17 PM

Dr. David S. Irwin?

Duley's notes from the court proceedings show "Dr. David Irwin" as a source for accusations that Ivins' homocidal tendencies extend back to his graduate school days. I'm not sure where the "S." came from, but I remember reading it somewhere. Is this the Psychiatrist she is referring to?:

http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-david-irwin-md-1abd0590.cfm

He is listed as a forensic psychiatrist. If this is in fact the psychiatrist that Duley is referring to, has he made any comment on the current situation? Was he in fact Ivins' psychiatrist at any time?

Being a forensic psychiatrist, I would bet that he is in fact working with the FBI in the current investigation. The way the facts are being presented in the media it's as if this person had been Ivins' personal psychiatrist since his graduate school days. This is one point that could be easily determined and could seriously undermine Duley's statements to the court.

This point may have already been considered, but I haven't been able to find any details on it yet. If anyone can point me in the right direction, let me know.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 01:34 PM

Stephen Hatfill & Kafka's "The Trial."

I sadly saw the movie when I was 11 years old. Believe me when I say that I understood it too well. At that early age I thought that it can happen to me. It did happen to Stephen Hatfill. People who are posting comments here PLEASE Google his name and be fully away of the HELL he went through. Maybe he's still there with $X millions or with less.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 01:03 PM

Clarification re: "social workers" by CarlynC

Social Workers, Psychologists, or Psychotherapists in the USA know nothing since this country "killed Freud" back in the 60s. Nevertheless, to get a PhD in Psychology, Who do you have to study? Freud. It is amazing how on one side the Master of the field is key to learn but avoided altogether in the practices. You go to one in the USA and they give you books and talk to you. THAT if they don't fall asleep or prefer the 'brainstorming sessions" where they make much more money for the minute spent. They do NOT elicit questions and guide you so that you (the patient) "bring up to light" your own hang-ups or traumas. They do not do so because: 1) they don't know. 2) It is hard work. 3) They have to continue studying.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:46 PM

RMP @ 7:28

Thank you for the heads up. The DVR waits patiently to do my bidding.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:18 PM

"Traffic Tickets"

In my neck of the woods, DUIs are much more serious than running a red light or speeding, and getting two DUIs is very serious indeed. But what interests me much more about Duley are her feeble academic and professional credentials. She's a "theripist" of some kind, not a respected psychiatrist. Her word set against the word of Ivins' closest associates at Fort Dietrich is weak stuff indeed. And now she's afraid to come out of hiding to explain herself to a world that is justly curious about her charges.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 12:06 PM

re seanmcbride

I didn't realize that the personal history of the social worker constituted "the facts of the case." Nor did I say that the actual facts of the case shouldn't be investigated. Let's see if you can comprehend this: drudging up traffic tickets out of someone's personal past has nothing to do with this case. And I have no doubt that if the FBI presented Ivins traffic tickets as some sort of evidence regarding the quality of his character and his lack of credibility, you and Glenn would write a post mocking it. And it would deserve to be mocked.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:40 AM

The guy made specific threats against co-workers

I can't believe Greenwald is going the "9/11 truth" route on this. Attacking the witness by citing her drunk driving arrests is reprehensible. If the "MSM" did anything like that to someone Greenwald approves of, he's howl about how "lazy reporters" are not "doing their jobs."

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:32 AM

Re: Orson

Notice that Orson hasn't rebutted a single fact in Glenn's investigations into this case, and that he seems to be mightily upset by anyone into looking into the facts of the case at all. What's the agenda here?

Tuesday, August 5, 2008 10:22 AM

Question everything!

There are lots of venues where you can find uncritical acceptance of the Government's claims. If, as appears to be the case, that's what you're hungry for, you should go find one of them.

-- GlennGreenwald

Book says White House ordered forgery Click on my sig.

Please remember this anthrax incident fits into a tapestry of deceit that has lead us to a war, potentially another one with Iran (and who else?) and a full on assault on our civil liberties. Everywhere you look (and some you don't), pieces or our constitution are being ripped away (for our own protection, we are told). As a good little lemmerican in the days before war with Iraq (I'm a vet from the first Iraq war, mind you), it occurred to me that the 'Dead or alive' rhetoric was not at all directed at the terrorists - it was directed at us. Those are things you DO and don't SAY. So I decided to stop listening to what I wanted to hear and become a real patriotic american and QUESTION EVERYTHING. That's still my right and I figure I'd damn well better exercise them while I still can. Along that path it occurred to me a trite little saying I once thought meant nothing "Freedom isn't free", meant everything.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

by Thomas Jefferson

So, I'm not comfortable at all with the incompetence theory. It is too convenient. It is used too often. Especially when no one is held accountable. If incompetence is suspect doesn't accountability follow? Where is the accountability?

If the FBI 'bungled' this case, why hasn't Ross been taken to gitmo to bob for apples until he remembers the sources who, it appears, lead the feds on the wrong path?

Why isn't the headline in every NEWS outlet, "Anthrax investigation turns inward. Iraq and/or the muslims were not the culprit as we were told in the run up to the Iraq war. Suspect who allegedly committed suicide dies under dubious circumstances. Feds try to close the case but many questions remain especially by those who were against the Patriot Act and targeted with anthrax". That should be the headline. Those are the facts, at least as I see them. Sigh.

Am I a conspiracy theorist? Honestly I don't know. But I do know there are those that are quick to judge - who see questions as sedition or at least unpatriotic. The label 'cultist' is thrown around a lot by these folks - especially when the facts become inconvenient. Objectively, these are the unAmerican (at least unconstitutional) people out there and the founding fathers would agree. I'd remind those people of history, replete which such occurrences, where the very act of pinning a label on someone is what allowed such atrocities as what happened to the Jews. The good germans never knew what hit them. They were duped by power.

Question everything! Especially power.

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