By Jim Popkin, NBC News Senior Investigative Producer

In a chilling audiotape, a former therapist of anthrax-case suspect Dr. Bruce Ivins warns a Maryland judge that Ivins is a psychotic "revenge killer" who boasted of buying a gun and killing his co-workers.

The New York Times exclusively obtained the audiotape of a court hearing in which therapist Jean Duley told a judge that she feared for her life. She testifies that, at a July 9 group-therapy session, Ivins announced that he had bought a gun and a bulletproof vest and was plotting to kill his co-workers at the Fort Detrick Army research laboratory.

“He was going to go out in a blaze of glory, that he was going to take everybody out with him,” Duley said. The tape, released to the Times by the Maryland District Court in Frederick, is a recording of the recent hearing at which Duley successfully sought a restraining order against Dr. Ivins.

New York Times reporter Sarah Abruzzese obtained the tape Friday. The link to the 10-minute mp3 audiotape can be found on the left side of the page at: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/02/us/02scientist.html?hp#

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Jean Duley's testimony.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/audio/national/20080802scientist.mp3

Jean Duley's testimony indicates:

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- That the FBI has copies of phone messages in which Ivins made threats to Jean Duley.

- That during a group session Ivins said he had obtained a bullet proof vest and a gun and had a detailed plan to kill his kill coworkers.

That because he was about to be indicted on capital murder charges he was going to go put in a blaze of glory. That he was going to take everybody out with him.

That he had been roaming the streets of Fredrick MD trying to pick a fight with someone so he could stab them.

That they weren't going to take him out without a fight.

He described his plans in detail.

- She contacted Ivins attorneys with this information.

- He was committed based up threats made during the above group session.

- While he was committed he made a threatening phone call to Jean Duley that blamed her for his prosecution.

- As far back as the year 2000 Ivins attempted to murder several people by poisoning.

- He has been forensically diagnosed by several top psychiatrists as a sociopathic homicidal killer.

- That she has documentation of those psychiatrists statements.

- The FBI agent assigned to Jean Duley very much suggested that she obtain a protective order.

- Jean Duley said she was scared to death of Ivins.

The media lies to us daily, without fail. They lie overtly, they lie by inference, they lie by omitting things, they lie by making things up.

Only when the FBI's previous subject of interest (Hatfill) won the suit he filed, did they focus on a new target... and we only found out about the new target (Ivins) after he supposedly committed suicide. I don't know if the suicide verdict is supportable. It's clear that Hatfill was not among the guilty, else no monetary award would've been granted.

The real perps in the Anthrax scare are still not known, whether or not the FBI closes the case given Ivins' alleged suicide. Without a motive, there is no closure. We are now hearing reports from a psychologist that Ivins was homicidal, but read his letters to the editor of the Frederick paper -- he was supportive of minority rights. He was a practicing (and by all reading) Catholic Christian. He may have been thin-skinned, but he was either driven to suicide by someone or he was murdered to prevent him revealing what he knew about who may have had access to the anthrax sent in the mailings.

Glenn, let us know if there is anything we can do to support your further inquiry into what ABC knew and when. This is one (of many) angles we must pursue if we are ever to know the truth about what happened on and shortly after 9/11.

And to those who are yelling, "tinfoil hat time," please know that when the truth finally is out, you are going to feel awfully embarrassed. Might want to stock up on codeine-laced Tylenol yourself for that occasion.

What are the chances that Mr. Hatfill had help committing suicide?

Secondly, there were dozens of people early on that knew that Iraq could not be the source for that kind of anthrax. Why were they silent? Really, this attack never had any earmarks of an Iraqi attack. First, why poison Democrats? This attack always seemed to me to have the typical targets of the religious right/conservatives. The fact that the second accused is a religious nut is so much the better.

So why did the FBI go after the first suspect when he didn’t fit the profile of a Christian nut case? Secondly, as soon as the bentonite stuff was found to be a hoax whomever was spreading it should have been asked to tell us something about who sent the anthrax in the first place. My guess is that the FBI knew that bentonite was a hoax from day one, or day two at the latest. (Bentonite didn’t work for me. It seemed really stupid on its face. “Use clay that no one else uses that can identify you, Iraq, like a fingerprint.” Why not use stuff from the USA (or Iran, your other enemy) – that can be ordered for next to nothing and delivered to your lab?)

Finally, the FBI sure was relaxed about catching this guy. After what? Two months, they knew that the anthrax came from a US lab. I mean really, they’re water boarding people all over the face of the Earth, but they couldn't ask the obvious sources of US made anthrax a few tough questions? Was it that they really didn’t want to find the guy, or they knew all along who did it any they weren’t allowed to talk to him on orders from higher ups? Really, was the first guy just a smoke screen? How did they know so soon that anthrax wasn't going to kill us all?