The point is of course that for most here, no matter how bad any other leader might be, Bush is worse. Even if that leader hacks up opponents family members or supports such leaders in the UN. Tsk. Tsk.

As opposed to authorizing a secret regime of torture, kidnapping and illegal actions, lying about it even when evidence is fully in the light, and continuing on with it against all sense of decency?

Are you that much a sociopath, hate America that much, that you'll excuse such offenses?

I also notice no one had a response to my question about the actual leakers, Armitage and Novak. No surprise there.

See my previous comment, although I'm sure technical details are lost on you.

Brad Blakeman, like every official in the Liar-in-Chief's administration, is morally obtuse. The Attorney General is (or is SUPPOSED to be) the country's chief legal officer. The American people are his "clients." Of course,

the U.S. Department of (In)Justice has been so corrupted, so degraded under the likes of John Ashcroft, Roberto Gonzales, and Michael Mukasey as to be unrecognizable.

Piss on Freedom's Watch. It's just another everything-for-Israel front organization full of neocon chickenhawks.

Could you be kind enough to let us know when one of your [shooter's] pointless non sequiturs is meant to be satirical?
— dr rick

They all are.

The only possible conclusion WRT shooter is that he is a parody troll dispatched by MoveOn.org (or possibly the Rude Pundit) to convince the world that die-hard Bush supporters are all addle-pated nincompoops. No one twigs to this because he is so damn good at it.

Otherwise, there is no possible explantion. Anyone who is that brain-dead and still alive would have to be on life support.

"Speaking of Joan Baez:

"She told a another funny story about Dylan. She and he were riding in a car and the song that Baez had recorded, "Love is Just a Four Letter Word" came on the radio. Dylan didn't recognize the tune. It was like he was hearing it for the first time. In all sincerity, he said to her that those were some really fine lyrics. Baez said to him, "You wrote, you dummy. Sheesh".

"-- Kitt Friday, July 18, 2008 06:30 PM"

That story is questionable in view of several facts:

1. The song was written during 1963-64.

2. The relationship between Baez and Dylan ended circa 1963-64. They were not exactly on friendly/speaking terms for years thereafter.

3. Baez recorded "Love is Just a Four-Letter Word" in 1968, and if it was released as a single, it was released in 1968-69.

4. The likelihood that Baez and Dylan were in the same car at the same time during the period in which the recording was played on the radio -- 1968-1969 -- are beyond slim.

5. The next contact between them was in 1974-75, for the "Rolling Thunder Tour". By then that song was not being played on the radio.

Other facts about the Scorcese film:

There are several versions of what happened when Dylan "went electric" at Newport -- common to them being the "shock".

First of all, Paul Butterfield Blues Band had played that day, or the day before, Dylan "went electric". There were no complaints from anyone about the fact of electric instruments being used.

Second, everyone in the folk "community" who was knowledgeable of and interested in Dylan followed his career closely; that includes following his record releases. "Like a Rolling Stone" was released circa May, 1965, and was on and climbing the charts by July, 1965, when he "went electric" at Newport.

So where was the "shock"?

Most/all the stories told about the incident are to protect egomaniac Pete Seeger. On the night Dylan "went electric," he was the headliner -- yet was only given 15 minutes on stage. Nearly everyone else was given an hour.

Peter Seeger has made excuses ever since, but from all accounts he was pissed because Dylan was no longer writing "protest songs" -- and was acting as if --

"it is not he or she or them or it that you belong to".

Until then, the left-wing folk "movement" essentially thought they owned Dylan. He said: "Fuck you," and blew off their chains.

So Dylan's being allowed to play electric -- he had sufficient weight to force that -- but for only 15 minutes was probably a compromise: Pete Seeger was against it; others were for it; the audience expected to see Dylan. But Pete Seeger was a Real Big Name and Deal on the board of the Festival: a manipulative tantrum by him would be capitulated to, or it would continue, and continue, and continue. And he was sufficiently petulant and petty that he could blackball those who told the straight truth.

Now he denies he tried to cut the cables -- but the unanimity on that particular detail says otherwise.

And note, last but not least, there were more "YAAAYYSSS! than there were "BBBOOOOS!" So the objection to electric instruments didn't exist generally; it was only applied to Dylan -- by the "purists" who wanted to keep him in the chains they imagined they had on him.

"As Joan Baez told us that Bob Dylan told her when she tried to explain her take on his lyrics as she understood them, "That's pretty f'n' good"."

Two separate incidents: the first concerned an unidentified song he was writing -- at her home in CA -- of which she gave her interpretation. He said, during that incidient, about criticis years later figuring out what it mean: "I don't know what the fuck it means."

His, "That's pretty fuckin' good" was, according to Baez, about the lyrics to "Love is Just a Four-Letter Word," which she says was being played on the car radio. But see my other post on that story as to its actual likelihood.

"We got your Mugabe "satire" Tanya. It didn't make any sense. Repeating doesn't help it to make any sense either.

"-- Kitt Friday, July 18, 2008 11:58 AM"

A more apt comparison with Bushit is not Mugabe -- "Shooter242" has to come up with something beside the point -- irrelevant, actually -- in order both to avoid the issue and smear Democrats.

The apt comparison with Bushit is Saddam Hussein: both torturers, both used the same facilities to that end, both tortured innocent Iraqi civilians -- in Bushit's case in order to "liberate" them from freedom, and in some instances life itself.

But if scope and quantity are issues, then Bushit is worse than Saddam Hussein: Hussein didn't torture people in Afghanistan and Gauntanamo, or rendition them to gulags/black sites around the world to be tortured.

Lying is immoral. But note that "Shooter242" bases his implied moral superiority on a foundation which consists only and entirely of lies. "If the truth shall set you free," and the US is about freedom, then the US must also be about truth. Thus "Shooter242" and his depraved ilk are America-Haters.