If anyone knows what Sir Aych is trying to say please stand up. Cause I sure don't know. -- Kitt

You don't because you are a simpleton.

(I apologize if someone else has already made this point - I'm commenting late, and haven't read through all the previous posts)

In light of these revelations, I propose we refocus the direction of the "Better Democrats" fund and Aug 8th Money Bomb, and press for and publicize the federal criminal indictments of Pelosi, Hoyer, Rockefeller, Harmon, et.al. as active collaborators and conspirators in war crimes, illegal surveillance, and torture.

This would jump-start the campaign to undermine their re-election efforts, and send a loud & clear message.

Certainly the accomplished legal minds among us (Bugliosi, Greenwald, De la Vega, Dean, et.al) can help frame the indictment. Surely we can find an interested (Republican) AG or two to lend their support.

Screw the ad campaign. Once and for all, let's stop talking and take off the gloves, slip on the brass knuckles, and take back our country.

This would have the effect of giving these traitors' successors something to think about before betraying the Constitution.

Let's get this together!

P.S. Tonya Harding wants her lead pipe back. Salonistas aren't the only ones with an agenda to kneecap their superiors. - Shooter242

In America no member of government in any capacity is an American citizen's superior, asswipe.

Fuck you're such an authoritarian douchebag. You could not fundamentally dismiss the founding principle of America more if you tried. There really ought to be a way to revoke citizenship in America.

The recent revelations of the degree of high-ranking congressional awareness of Administration actions that were unconstitutional, felonious and/or war crimes simply does not support anything other than going full bore for the pursuit of impeachment proceedings against the President and Vice President. Period.

I am shocked, shocked to learn that congressional leaders were so clearly briefed ("your chips, sir"). But more than shocked, I am gratified to have this circumstance so vividly laid bare over the past few days. What I am NOT willing to do is conclude, from this, that (1) impeachment of the President is less, rather than more, necessary or appropriate now, or that (2) the "likelihood" of such impeachment proceedings should be considered lower, rather than higher, because of these disclosures.

It seems to me that those who received briefings from the Administration must be held to account, publicly, for their actions or inactions when faced by the disclosure of this information. It's their jobs to pay attention and critically review the information they received, they owe us an explanation of their thought processes. It could be that Nancy Peolosi likes to watch 15 year olds tortured; then again, it could be that these important people accepted the word of the President when the President said to "trust him, it's all OK". Whichever end of that spectrum the truth falls on, it's a pretty good bet nobody volunteered to show the legislators any of the garbage which passed for "legal opinions" which Cheney and Addington commissioned from syncophantic flunkies like Yoo at the behest of King George. So then, throw yourselves on the mercy of Article 8 from Nuremberg, you legislator types, and let's get on with it by evaluating what the President and his minions did here.

Pelosi should recuse herself and resign as Speaker of the House, at least for the duration of impeachment proceedings (after all, that's third in succession to the Presidency after the VP, and those two are the targets here). Congressional hearings on impeachment should be demanded and they should occur promptly. Let these complicit legislators be offered the opportunity to tell their stories before congressional panels.

Wringing of hands is not the right response to all this. Neither is "I told you so" or "nothing can be done." Vindication of the Constitution is what is and must be the most important, because if all anyone does here is bemoan the "fix" of it all, then the "fix" is indeed the norm. That might not be so good.

On the "right now" front, I urge targeting Nancy Pelosi with an ad demanding that she "do the right thing" and greenlight impeachment hearings at Rep. Kucinich's discretion (run the ads in Washington and in San Francisco) and make it clear that failure to do so will result in a concerted opposition to her candidacy in California (among other things).

What has just been disclosed is important, it is dreadful. But it is only corroboration and confirmation, it is not really anything wholly surprising or new. And for what it's worth, the light that is shining on these complicit legislators right now does not have to be allowed to justify further stonewalling or coverups by those folks, it could instead be a source of incentive to engage in morally acceptable conduct in conformity with the oath they all took: to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Does anyone not believe that these legislators have been through renders them acutely able to expound upon Bush & Co.'s direct attacks upon the Constitution?

To bad the founders didn't codify a remedy for this type of behavior

For all of their thoughtfulness it's really too bad that the founders didn't create some mechanism to prevent these folks from creating laws that would cover or make legal their conduct. -- KO Myers

Well it ain't in the constitution I will grant you that but at least one of them did warn us of what we might have to do.

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

He must have just been kidding.

Here is a diagram for you scooter...

Since we know you have trouble connecting the dots I found a site which has both the old FISA and the new FISA diagrammed for you....

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends upon his not understanding it." -- Upton Sinclair

Sh**ter has demonstrated this repeatedly. A purposeful ignorance is a handy tool for any aspiring RW apologist.

Cheers,