Do you have a link for that? I'd love to read the whole thing.

Good to see you again. I am absorbing every particle of this exchange while it lasts...welcome. Welcome.

FWIW, I drove down to Crawford a couple days after Cindy S. took up her first vigil. Some assh*les across the road had put up a big "Freedom is NOT Free!" poster, text overlaid on a huge, blown-up (military) photo of Cindy's son, Casey, recently KIA. I spoke to her for a bit after she got through talking to Stephen Hadley and some other Bushite.

Let me tell you, Brother, I've never been more impressed with another human being's sheer (I'm struggling for the word) graciousness? Very warm, with a Zen-like calm, it seemed to me. There were other parents there, and families of lost loved ones, and somehow SHE was the healing influence in the midst of all of it.

I've seen all the shit that got thrown at her in the subsequent years. Nothing's ever changed my initial impression.

I'd replace Pelosi w/ her in a nanosecond.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/16/washington/16combatant.html?em&ex=1216267200&en=d3c315e2b68a7317&ei=5087%0A

or click sig for linky

Court Backs Bush on Military Detentions

By ADAM LIPTAK

Published: July 16, 2008

President Bush has the legal power to order the indefinite military detentions of civilians captured in the United States, the federal appeals court in Richmond, Va., ruled on Tuesday in a fractured 5-to-4 decision...

http://everything2.com/?node=Nits+make+lice

Nits make lice.

"Nits make lice" is most famously attributed to Colonel John M. Chivington, former Methodist minister and perpetrator of the infamous Sand Creek Massacre in Colorado, 1864. It is often misattributed to General Phil Sheridan, who, rather, said "The only good Indians I saw were dead."

Nits make lice.

Chivington did not originate the phrase. As early as 1810, "nits make lice" is attributed to Tennessee governor and Indian fighter John Sevier, or alternately to one of his men, Thomas Christian, who killed a captured Indian boy.

Nits make lice.

No doubt these instances were not the first time the sentiment was uttered, nor would they be the last.

- - http://everything2.com/?node=Nits+make+lice

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American Bar Association:

http://www.abanet.org/irr/hr/fall07/milesfall07.html

Child Prisoners in America’s War on Terror
by Steven Miles

[...] The U.S. government has tried to suppress the story of its child prisoners. It has not released a census. Reporters are not allowed to photograph their quarters or their Geneva Convention-mandated educational programs. The Abu Ghraib photographs depict men being abused; the pictures of children and women being abused remain classified.

The children’s stories are scattered in tens of thousands of pages of declassified Defense Department documents. Some disturbing incidents that are reported therein are listed below.

• One clause in a footnote in an appendix of a two-hundred-page report is the only official record of a child prisoner’s death. That footnote in the Army Surgeon General’s report is discussing a doctor’s allegation that he could not transfer sick prisoners to the hospital: “The interviewed physician from Camp Cropper [near the Baghdad airport] recounted a significant problem with detainees having advanced stage tuberculosis. [The physician] reports one child hemorrhaging from his cavitary TB and dying….” No other document describes this child who died bleeding into his (or her?) lungs while in U.S. custody. The Pentagon does not list this prisoner in its list of deaths. It has not released any death certificate, autopsy report, or investigation, as is mandated by Geneva Conventions that the United States says were applicable to its prisons in Iraq. We do not know whether the parents were told if, how, or when their child died. The lack of screening, isolation, and treatment or repatriation of a prisoner with tuberculosis violates another provision in the Geneva Conventions. We do not know if the child’s body was returned to the family to bury or if the family was informed of the location of the internment.
• General Janis Karpinski, commander of Abu Ghraib, gave this sworn statement: “I specifically talked to the juveniles, because after one time that they brought some in, I saw a kid that was—he looked like he was eight years old. He told me that he was almost twelve. I asked him where he was from. He told me his brother was there with him, but he really wanted to see his mother, could he please call his mother. He was crying. So I never saw anything that was abuse or could be considered abuse.” Karpinski does not mention if she helped the boy contact his mother.
• Army Specialist Samuel Provance testified before Congress how the frail sixteen-year-old son of Iraqi prisoner Hamid Zabar was stripped, doused with mud and water, and driven in an open truck around the prison yard on a cold winter night. The suffering boy was displayed to his father, who was under interrogation.
• At Mosul prison in Iraq, a high school student, Salah Salih Jassim, was arrested along with his father. The student was not suspected of any crime. There have been numerous reports of abuse at this prison. The boy soon had a broken jaw, allegedly from being slammed on the floor by a soldier. An attending physician did not bother asking the boy how his jaw came to be broken; he did not even take off the boy’s shirt to look for other bruises.
• U.S. soldiers kidnapped the three sons of Abed Hamed Mowhoush from their home in Iraq in late 2003. They left word that the boys would be held hostage until their father surrendered to U.S. forces. Mowhoush ransomed his sons with his life. After he surrendered, he was beaten and stuffed head first into a sleeping bag that was wrapped with twenty feet of wire. An interrogator sat on Mowhoush, who suffocated.
• Sergeant John Ketzer watched an Abu Ghraib dog handler and another soldier allow a leashed but unmuzzled dog to “go nuts” and lunge at two children. The younger child cringed behind the older one, whom the soldiers derisively called Casper. This dog handler had allowed his dog to bite at least one prisoner and had engaged in competitions with another dog handler to see who could get a prisoner to urinate on himself. General George Fay, the U.S. Army’s deputy chief of staff for intelligence, saw a photograph of this incident. It remains classified.
• A fifty-eight-page sworn statement by a military intelligence officer describes the disposition of a newborn. “The female [prisoner] had moved from [the prison at Camp] Cropper to Abu Ghraib, was pregnant, and had given birth while in detention. [Name deleted] was working with JAG to turn the baby over to her family or to an orphanage.”

None of these incidents has been denied by the U.S. government.

- - Steven Miles, professor of medicine, is affiliated with the Center for Bioethics and is a professor in the Department of Medicine at the University of Minnesota Medical School.

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I know a vet who can't tell his family what's bugging him.

It's not when his buddy got shot.

It's when they shot back, and killed a man with a gun.

Who, upon closer inspection, didn't have a gun, and wasn't a man.