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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 12:00 AM

The motivation for blocking investigations into Bush lawbreaking

Key congressional Democrats were aware and tacitly supportive of Bush's illegal interrogation and surveillance programs, a key motive in why they helped prevent accountability.

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Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:10 PM

Juleps?

I spent my Obama donation on a 2009 Bentley Continental GTC speed. I can't think of a better way to celebrate my independence from wishy-washy politicians.

I was just kidding, I was hoping that somewhere Dave Plouffe just spit up all over his keyboard.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:10 PM

shooter enters a room....

He thought this was a geometry class?

His coloring book is filled with penguins.

He colors out of the lines and O Sings It!

O, singing of old senile boss O Rush. L.?

O, humming about Paul Revere's rides.

How can a respectable human respect?

Give shoots242 a black magic marker.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:14 PM

Kitty, the Right Wing Authoritarian

Also, Aych, when someone takes on some famous character's name like 'Tiberious' and I make fun of him by changing it to Tibby, that's funny and clever. Or when someone wants to be thought of as the head of or a member of the GOP by calling themselves Elephantman, and I change it to Elephantdung, that's funny and clever. When someone has a legitimate name of Kitt (whether you are certain that is their name of not) and you change it to Kitty, that's not the least bit funny or clever, that's just stupid.-- Kitt

What are you, twelve years old? Get over yourself. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Twit.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:15 PM

@ 3:10 bump

A Mennonite child ask the sub-fill-in,

Can a deaf person hear God's voice?

Jim Montague? Will you ask shooter?

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:16 PM

Twinkies Never Die

GC... Surely you know that Twinkies have no expiration date. When everything else on earth has been reduced to mad-cow ridden, radioactive beef jerky, the cockroaches will be dining on Shooter's still-fresh Twinkies.

Thanks, Rush, they'll say in cockroach-ese.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:18 PM

Thanks Holly!

It's like, Teh Awsum.

When the back-ordered side table arrives... my cup will runneth over.

LOL!

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:20 PM

Congressional Liability

GG:

"You're right that merely passively receiving the information isn't enough to establish criminal liability even for Intelligence Committee members. That's particularly true for domestic criminal prosecutions, where far more active involvement would be required."

This is an important concession.

"But what about those who supported subsequent legislation to legalize all war crimes or provide immunity for the war criminals? Or those, like Harman, who worked hard to keep it secret, prevented reporters from exposing it? That's classic complicit behavior."

Illegal behavior though?

"I don't think the point is that criminal prosecutions would inevitably lead to prosecutions against Democratic Intelligence Committee members, although - especially for war crimes prosecutions - it might (since war crimes are typically brought against not just the key actors but the enablers as well)."

For which actions -- the not-doing-anything or the retroactive-law-passing?

"I think the point is that if you're a key Democrat[ic] on the Intelligence Committee and knew about and approved of these crimes, how can you possibly sit there and argue -- as a political matter if nothing else - that Bush officials should be held accountable for those same policies?"

This is a good point. It's why Rockefeller heading the Intelligence Comitte is like some kind of sick joke. But he really wouldn't need to argue that himself. All he needs to do is agree to the hearings, ask whatever lame questions he wants to ask, and then wait for Feingold and Whitehouse to have their opportunities.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:20 PM

Shooter242

I'm glad to see you ignore my comment where I try to teach you about the history of Supreme Court rulings. I guess when someone proves you unequivocally wrong, you just pretend they didn't say anything.

Moving on...

OK morons, listen up. Me and Turley are talking about the FISA bill. Is there anything in said FISA bill about warrantless home searches. No.

I'm still looking for the provision that authorizes program warrants (thereby skipping around the established precedence of "warrants apply to individuals"), but once I find it I'm sure it will fit neatly in with these next few bits.

1) There's a section of the FISA Amendments Acts that permits "Concurrent Authorization" (Section 705). What this means is that, once they have authorization to eavesdrop on electronic communications, the Attorney General can target that person without a court order for "foreign intelligence gathering".

2) Parts of FISA (50 USC 1822) define foreign intelligence gathering to include the search of a person's physical property.

So, in theory, once an individual has been the target of the "program" that the FISC approved the warrant for, using Concurrent Authorization, the Attorney General could have your house physically searched without going to FISC.

I've also read that the USA PATRIOT Act amended FISA to permit warrantless searches, but I haven't had time to review.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:22 PM

Jim Montague. (corny)

Never mind. Twits birds will not respond.

No toss a pearl before the swine. Serious,

Chirp: `shooter is a true human twitcher.

Call 9-1-1? He's wanting a chicken wing.

He'll choke on a rice grain. No feed him.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:25 PM

Shooter blows it again

OK morons, listen up. Me and Turley are talking about the FISA bill. Is there anything in said FISA bill about warrantless home searches. No.
— shooter242

To coin a phrase, shooter, you are full of shit.

From the FISA Amendments act of 2008:

SEC. 107. AMENDMENTS FOR PHYSICAL SEARCHES.

(b)(2) by amending subsection (e) to read as follows:

‘(e)(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this title, the Attorney General may authorize the emergency employment of a physical search if the Attorney General--

‘(A) reasonably determines that an emergency situation exists with respect to the employment of a physical search to obtain foreign intelligence information before an order authorizing such physical search can with due diligence be obtained;

‘(B) reasonably determines that the factual basis for issuance of an order under this title to approve such physical search exists;

‘(C) informs, either personally or through a designee, a judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court at the time of such authorization that the decision has been made to employ an emergency physical search; and

‘(D) makes an application in accordance with this title to a judge of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court as soon as practicable, but not more than 7 days after the Attorney General authorizes such physical search.

Do you go out of your way to make yourself look stupid or does it come naturally?

Tuesday, July 15, 2008 03:26 PM

@Tanya

What are you, twelve years old? Get over yourself. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Twit.

-- shooter242

You've told us that I'm on your 'Ignore' List. What happened? Saltpeter wore off?

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