I've heard some strange deathbed confessions. Once a fake vegan confessed to sneaking McDonald's chicken, Happy Meals every day.

The moon makes people's grey matter gurgle.

One poor GOP told about turkeys that gobbled.

The poor troll said they gobbled common sense.

This is for trained professionals. Find a good cat shrink.

I know one but she stares at freckles and facial pimples.

She sits you down in a rusty lawn chair with grey duck tape.

Ask Glenn after he gets OFF the radio show. Watch Goth You-Tubs.

The only problem here is that the program was started in February 2001, seven month before 9/11. Horton could have cut her off at the knees but his lack of knowledge here simply let her off the hook.

The interview you're quoting is from Warren Olney's radio interview of Jane Harman, not Scott Horton's magazine interview of Jane Mayer.

More importantly, the assertion that the program started prior to 9/11 is just that -- an assertion, with no proof. Joseph Nacchio, as part of his criminal trial, alleged that the Government approached Qwest about some form of warrantless eavesdropping prior to 9/11, though we don't know (a) what that was, (b) whether it happened or (c) if it's true.

The fact that the telecoms and Bush officials were perfectly happy -- from the start -- to have telecom immunity apply only to post-9/11 but not pre-9/11 spying leads me to believe that most of the illegal behavior was after 9/11 (which isn't the same as saying it was motivated by 9/11). We'll see since, as I said, the immunity only applies to post-9/11 spying.

Honestly, Shooter, when you make your nincompoopish blanket statements to argue your indefensible positions, use the Google.

The Google has a liberal bias.

:)

Kitt... You think you've got troubles; when your screen name is "Cocktailhag," those trolls have a field day. (OK, in this case miniature golf course, but you know what I mean...) Whether it's ageism, "Hag," puritanism, "put down that drink," or Lord knows what, the slings and arrows make me wonder whether the nice saint's name my mother gave me wouldn't have been a better idea.

But at the same time, as you've said, anyone who goes after your name rather than your argument probably has one foot on a banana peel, logically. I've noticed that you have no trouble laying the offender to waste when that happens.

As usual, the double standard can always be employed.... Names are for those who deserve them.

In the case of bernbart, that is being generous. And, we need not become the hate-filled, smarmy, snide sub-human that Rush Limbaugh became to get our points across. Do we?

By the way, I notice you do a lot of guessing. Do you have a magic act, or only the music one?

The lies in our warrant had to do with stolen baby clothes (believe it or not).

I appreciate your reply.

To my knowledge there are only two reasons for a no knock warrant, they either think you are armed and likely to resist violently or you are going to flush "drugs" down the toilet in order to dispose of evidence. I fail to see how either motivation could apply in the case of stolen baby clothes.

It would be interesting to me, and I suspect to at least a few others as well, to learn a bit more of just what happened, it sounds seriously bizarre to say the least.

If it would be disturbing to you to relate further please feel free to ignore me.

shooter and a turtle can snap at tadpoles.

-- GoodCelery!

Yeah, cause tadpoles can't snap back.

In the Article Mr Horton asks a question of Jane Harmon regarding Quests refusal to go along with the illegal request to have access to all internet and phone traffic. Harmons answer was:

HARMAN: Well, I respect what Qwest did. Qwest said that the strict letter of FISA isn't being followed, as I understand it. That was some very careful lawyering.

The other telecoms that complied with requests believed -- so they say -- that they were complying with valid requests from the Government. And remember that when this happened, it was shortly after 9/11 and so forth --

The only problem here is that the program was started in February 2001, seven month before 9/11. Horton could have cut her off at the knees but his lack of knowledge here simply let her off the hook.

Once again you accuse me of something about which I'm sure you will refuse to elaborate if pressed.

Which was the reason I called you "Kitty" in the first place.

-- Aycharaych

If anyone knows what Sir Aych is trying to say please stand up. Cause I sure don't know.

I'll bring shoots`242, and you know where he'll go? Right to the golf pool mud hole, and wiggle his tale, looking dunlin bird balls.

A. A. Milne wrote about inimitable characters such as 242. He's seen Pooh and his friends. All The World,

their homes,

and bedrooms.

Silly critter. Sing Ho! for the like of shooter242! Sing Ho! poor Pooh! shooter 242 will never be forgotten. Sing Ho!

shoots wags his tail in Pedinska's piglet mud-pond.... Yahoo. Richard will grow to love poor shooter242?

Warn Richard that shoots242 snaps, and eats the gold fish. I'll bring a few bottles of Angostura Worcestershire Sauce. It's the worst. It's salty. I remember you said you don't like anchovy fish breath.

The red snapper is still in the pond?

shooter and a turtle can snap at tadpoles.

you're being obtuse. But then that has been your pattern in "conversations" with myself and with others.

"A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet." -Wm Shakespeare

Once again you accuse me of something about which I'm sure you will refuse to elaborate if pressed.

Which was the reason I called you "Kitty" in the first place.

As you may know, I have been fighting the FISA “compromise” ever since it was dreamed up by Jay Rockefeller, Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Unfortunately, it appears that you have drunk the “Kool-Aid” that Rockefeller has been drinking ever since he was included in the secret briefings that the Bush Administration held shortly after 9-11. Key Democrats, including current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, former ranking House Intelligence Committee member Jane Harman, and several others were extensively briefed on both the illegal wiretapping and NSA data-mining programs, as well as the illegal torture-rendering that was going on at Guantanamo. While they did not actively formulate and create these illegal activities, since they were advised of them, they are at least complicit co-conspirators.

As far as I know, one of the weights behind the Obama candidacy is Daschle.

e.g., see http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18040719/

(or click on signature).

That would help explain Obama's vote.