let's also go after anyone who sanctioned any war from the last 70 years. I'm sure there were violations of the Geneva conventions in those wars and if people are still alive we should bulk them in with the current "criminals".

The video of CSIS interrogating Omar Khadr was released this morning.

http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/460367

... between past violations and violations driven by policy from above. The Bush administration made these violations a matter of policy. Nearly all republicans and many democrats went along with it.

you certainly called that one Glenn. You've been saying this for a long time.

Better Democrats. That's the only solution. Starting with Harmon. We gonna find someone to run against her? Really run against her?

First Guantanamo video released

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7507216.stm

The truth will eventually come out.

These people are just delaying the inevitable....

I think they are doing more than just delaying the inevitable. They are reducing the scope of any investigation that does occur

As I said last Thursday in response to a War Room post wondering whether Obama's vote was "calculated" (not saying my thought was particularly original):

"Too many democratic senators had been drawn into the illegal acts. They had to vote for this travesty to save their own skins. Other democrats had to worry about the larger damage to the party that would occur when it became known the levels of complicity that existed between the dems and repubs in allowing these illegal actions. Obama was forced to hold his nose and vote for this for the good of the party as well as to buy/keep the full throated support of the senators who he will need to bring in votes in the fall. This was the calculation, not some calculation regarding repubs hitting him later on security, though that may well have been a secondary thought (suppose there is a terrorist attack before the election - imagine the hay that might be made out of a vote against this then).

Glenn, your tenacious hammering of this and these issues is nothing short of heroic.

But as someone who reads you every day, I'm simply becoming more and more frightened and disheartened by the content of your posts. Your tone suggests that we're screwed, there's nothing we can do about it.

Can you offer your readers any hope (other than the StrangeBedfellows campaign) that justice will ever be done here? The campaign is an excellent idea for preventing future abuses, but what about the abuses/crimes that have already happened?

Give us a straw to grasp at. Please.

The worst Bush crimes are the ones yet to be revealed.

The Man-Child is on my radio right now, trying to sound convincing and Presidential. God help us.

I had just posted this on yesterday's thread...

from Dan Froomkin's column:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/07/14/BL2008071401091_3.html

You can submit questions in advance here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2008/07/10/DI2008071001458.html

Her new book, "The Dark Side," is out today, and Froomkin's column yesterday led with a review of it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100879.html

they would resign forthwith for aiding and abetting, both before and after the act, the criminality of the Bush Crime Family.

George Bush has publicly admitted ordering warrantless wiertaps . . . he merely claims the law does not apply to him. We know, thanks to the Red Cross, that the United States has committed war crimes, torture to be specific, in violation of US statutes and treaties. We know that the orders for such interrogation techniques came from the very top: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

We know that Congress is granted explicit power and responsiblity to impeach and remove the Executive if he commits high crimes or misdemeanors.

If and when the Bush criminals are brought before a tribunal, there should be space left in the dock for the Democrats who enabled and covered up the crimes.

For all of their thoughtfulness it's really too bad that the founders didn't create some mechanism to prevent these folks from creating laws that would cover or make legal their conduct.

Good article as always Glenn.

does this mean they might at least have a shred of guilt? better than i had hoped.

I never thought of that one. I had pegged the corporate hush money and possible electronic blackmail. The notion that certain Dems would be not just enablers but truly and legally complicit didn't cross my mind.

It's time to break up the Dems. It's time for a New Party. Why is no one creating a competing party on the left? The Democrats simply have no constituency anymore.

Help me out here. What's the legal/constitutional basis upon which Rockefeller, Harman, Hoyer, and Pelosi can be prosecuted for not disclosing classified White House crimes? I understand that they should be in jeopardy, but the mechanism is not obvious to me. Thanks.

The last line of Turley's quote says it for me: "You know, the administration was very adept at bringing in Democrats at a time when they knew they couldn't refuse, to make them buy in to this program, and now that investment is bearing fruit."

I think Cheney & Co realized what Nixon did wrong: he didnt bring in accomplices from Congress on both sides and was therefore s sitting duck once the scandal unraveled. These guys were very shrewd about this from the get-go.

With every word Mayer makes it clear that war crimes were being committed and that the Cheney-gang knew it. However, when she was asked about trials, she spewed the line that once a new president is installed Washington will believe that all that is needed is to "move on."

What everyone needs to understand is that while war crimes may not be uplifting entertainment, the rule of law is ultimately the most important principle that must be upheld. We have no choice.

Yes there are Democrats who knew what was going on. Mayer mentions Harmon whose name is bantered about for a possible appointment to head one of the intelligence agencies. You know what, I don't give a damn if Harmon goes to jail. We need to hold everyone involved in making America into a torture state accountable.

Rep. Nadler was on C-span this morning muttering about how we don't want upset the presidential election, but we could consider "hearings" later. After all....with a new president things will be different.

One other thing: the conversation mentioned a new article in News Week advocating for bush to pre-emptively pardon the lot of them, and thus, put this matter to bed.

This is a day, among frequently occuring other days, when I just give up on America. We are seriously messed up.