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Thursday, July 10, 2008 12:00 AM

Interview with ACLU re: constitutional challenge to new FISA law

Jameel Jaffer, the Director of the ACLU National Security Project, explains why the new FISA law violates the 4th Amendment and is even broader than the President's illegal NSA program

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Friday, July 11, 2008 05:28 PM

bernbart

Read the FINAL FISA bill.

Thus far you've only shown that you haven't read it. Once again I challenge you to quote from it buttress your position.

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:31 PM

@Derbig Mooser

You didn't just get that description from the website, no, you wouldn't do that. Cause that's what they said about it. How is it with the "snit"?

The beer takes the edge off the tomato flavor without smothering it, and blends well with the aquavit for a seriously tasty beverage.

Seriously, I am in Baltimore right now. I could no more get aquavit in this town than I could get Shooter to make an honest argument. I am drinking the best wine I could find (id est: not a screw top).

Pax vobiscum, dudes.

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:35 PM

Mooser, PDA

Ar the risk of outing myself as heathen - what do you guys use for the tomato base?

I actually tasted a *cough* mix the other night that was more than passably decent.

Zing Zang it was called.

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:42 PM

@anyfreeman

Fabulous ideas! All of them! Okay, maybe some better than others, but all good. Just one thing, we have got to work sunscreen in there somewhere. There has got to be a tie-in between sunscreen and defending your privacy rights. "Don't get burned, something yada yada freedom sunscreen" It's summer, and people are gonna need sunscreen, and it is a proven fact (google is your friend) that people will forget sunscreen if they are not reminded.

I might mention that I have a cousin who is in the retail-cosmetic and sundries packaging business. So I could get cases and cases of, I don't know "privacy sunscreen" wholesale (of course we'll donate part of the profits.)

You know, the tie-in with Sub-Pops twentieth anniversary is so blatantly obvious I don't even know why I'm mentioning it. I'm sure your working that angle already. "Privacy Nirvana?"

Anyway, freeman, there's one thing you can be sure of: I will never honeyfogle you! Have I ever sold you out for a lousy commission? What kind of gonif do you think I am?

Look, if some rich liberal could advance me $500,000 to do some scouting for locations, I could hop on a jet, be in Maui in eight hours, and just keep on going from there!

How can you lose?

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:46 PM

@Paul Daniel Ash

Aha! So, they don't have aquavit, do they? But they sure do have an INTERNET CONNECTION! Ewe fakir!

Lox vobiscum, my friend, with bagels. Maybe you could have that for breakfast.

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:50 PM

@bamage

Me, I would go for an organic tomato juice. Barring availability, a good Del Monte or even Libby's should be alright. They say in Minnesota, when you're snowed in, you use Ketchup and beer! Zounds!

Wait a minute, this could be the official drink of Privacy-fest 08! A couple of those and you don't care who is listening!

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:54 PM

My work is done here

Shooter derailed, and everyone talking drink recipes. Tea gee eye eff, all y'all!

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:54 PM

I agree

With Derbig, Bamage...mixes might drown out the flavor of the aquavit. And if you can, get Linie (http://www.linie.com/) - it's the best.

Friday, July 11, 2008 05:55 PM

@ anyfreeman -- great ideas for fundraising to support the ACLU/The Nation (and whoever else joins) lawsuit ....

so ... there's no back-to-school hurry... nor would it necessarily be a one-time-thing ...

Move On (I think) notifies me about houseparties and the like fairly often so if you have a community that matches their community .. well, sounds like a match made in havern.

The Democractic Convention is coming up next month ... I'd stay tuned for "Let's meet up in Denver" opportunities to send a delegate.

I'm not wild about the vision of anti-Obama protests, myself ... but, god knows, ymmv.

Friday, July 11, 2008 06:14 PM

Paul Daniel Ash.( a quick in/out ) if you get nobody to lend a cork screw...

Baltimore? The traveling Orioles ain't doing so hot up in Toronto? You a catcher for Peter Angelos's ball team? Your gonna travel North and West toward Pennsylvania, maybe?

I am just getting to the party. I'm late. A after school, summer bible school, men's study group end soon.

The men get together to talk hay, hens, moo-cows, and eat mashed potatoes after class.

Mashed potatoes can be mixed with any leftovers in the ice-box. Maybe this has been mentioned by another commenter who gave his last dinero to a Balto-Beggar-Nam-Wino? You are an American Person Whiner? You traveling with McCains pals and the ill-advisors?

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Opening that wino's bottle: Go careful. Use a garbage can edge, and bang the wine bottle with a Wood Oak Mallet.

A rubber sole shoe heel will do.

Wear a T-shirt that says `MEDICATED FOR SOCIETY'S PROTECTION. I saw that MOTTO on a banged up T-shirt today. His facial sheen sported a pleasant smile and not a sneer. The glasses looked out of style They looked GI military issue, 1972-2-4-era period. He looked safe to me. He wasn't a DC GOP.

Stay focused? Whine. The other method to open a wine, corked bottle without the worry of getting glass splinters on your lip, in to use a 'Red Devil' brand, putty knife. Carry a tube of epoxy every where you travel to pack wounds.

Lips, head, legs, fingers toes, and nose holes.

The vacuum cleaner may work for suction of corks.

My concern is the suction may suck all the bottle's wine.

A good wood chisel and talent can slice a wine bottle's cork off cleanly.

Friday, July 11, 2008 06:14 PM

@ susan sunflower

No worries. No one can read all the posts here (or would want to, without sufficiently strong libations) and Sirota's ideas deserve many more mentions.

He'll be appearing at Netroots Nation, btw, on a panel discussing his book:

Taking the Populist Uprising to the States

This panel will explore how the progressive populist uprising in which the Netroots plays such a central role is fighting the right at the state level. This state-level battle is a major focus of David Sirota's new book "The Uprising," which chronicles how progressives in the Montana legislature are taking on some of the most powerful bastions of the conservative coalition and winning. It is also the reason why the Progressive States Network exists. The panel will use real-world case-studies to show how state legislatures are some of the most important arenas in which the progressive uprising is unfolding.

http://www.netrootsnation.org/node/832

I'm looking forward to this one.

Friday, July 11, 2008 06:14 PM

Progressive Shout!

Don't vote for Obama in the coming election!

It's time for the Democrats to understand that they can't alienate their base and win elections.

If Obama wins by a hair in November, then maybe they'll figure it out.

But if McCain wins in November, then they'll definitely figure it out.

Paging the loyal opposition.

In 2012 they'll have another chance to get it right. The damage has already been done.

Glenn: what more can the Court do in the next four years that it hasn't already done? It's up to the states now, and that has been clear since the Democrats cravenly signed off on Roberts and Alito, both of whom should have been filibustered.

These people obsess over polls, you know.

Your only chip in this game is your vote.

Please withhold your vote for Obama.

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