If in fact all data is swept up, one could find this email by IP address, which would designate location of the user. The draft email is downloaded to the browser for viewing.

· Glenn

“I would much prefer people talk about this more accurately (i.e. "the problem is email not phone calls") which is why I try to bring this up. I've even heard advanced versions of this where terrorist A signs into gmail, writes a draft, and doesn't send it, and then terrorist B signs into gmail and reads the draft, writes a new response without sending, etc. In this way, the email technically never leaves Google's US servers, creating the geographic issues with determining where the sender/recipient are.”

Silash, Thursday, July 10, 2008 03:41 PM

http://letters.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/07/10/democrats/view/index28.html?show=all

If an email isn’t sent so that electronic screening can’t occur, it would seem to me, considering the number of email accounts, virtually impossible to detect this method of communication, unless intelligence agents have a target suspect and could find all accounts that suspect created. That would also be easy to work around, by using info from innocent people and creating an account that could not be traceable. An account, once created, can be accessed from anywhere by anyone by knowing the password and address.

If my assumptions are correct, then all of this eavesdropping and screening costing billions of dollars, as far as emails are concerned, would be useless, unless the government is interested in non-terrorist/criminal targets, like us.

I went to crooks and liars yesterday to blog on the obama statement that illegals will learn english, we need to learn spanish. I have several issues with that, but will save that for another day.

It seems our people are becoming what we have been fighting against. I always thought what seperated our movement from the fascsits was free speach. I thought we were allowed differing opinions and out of that we build consensus. I was banned from the entire site for not walking the liberal line. I can't beleive it. I know that first happened with obama supporters going against the clinton machine a few years ago. And liberals going against the gop before that. But liberals banning liberals now? I'm a little worried that the monster we have created is going to turn and eat us. No differance between these people and the gop nazi's. None.

America is only as free as the internet. Or we are only as free as free speach can be streched. It wasn't some low level lacky that did it either. It seems to by John himself. I encourage mr greenwald to no longer give them the time of day. not just this one issue, who am I after all. It's bigger than me. It's about presedence. this is only the tip of the iceberg. I've seen it happening the last few years. I just hoped the more power we got as a movement, we would still keep our morals and ideals and not morph into a mirror of the gop fascists.

I encourage anyone who blogs here to boycott c&r as I now am. Sad day for me. Sad day for liberals. So very truely liberals left. These people are ridin gour backs to make a profit. they will turn on us. they will turn into fox when obama is the pres. We don;t need our own fox. We need to shut fascsits for profit down.

My two sense

This is what happens when you give brainless children matches to play with. Link at the signature

They had Bin Laden cornered at Tora Bora and very few American troops were ever used.......Now years later they are listening in on Americans.

That legally changed their middle names to Hussein after all the innuendo about his middle name.

"If you want to hide something so that the NSA can't crack it, use couriers.

-- shooter242"

Don't forget about those body cavity searches at the border, though. I guess they have us coming and going now, don't they? Who'd a-thunk?

Post after post demanding Obama not be criticized so he can win as if one can't criticize and vote for him too. One Post even demanded that unless we were willing to stop calling Obama out on FISA we should not post at the site. Here I thought these Obama enablers were in the majority. Glad to get a sense that maybe it's the other way around.. I support those who support the constitution or rather dems supporting dems who act like dems.

Backing away from your FUD, are you now?

"That said, IANAL and can certainly entertain the idea that I'm wrong about the datamining and everything else.

--shooter242"

For example, you are a republican; you support business. How can business be done without privacy? -- Mike Sulzer

Any companies that assume privacy from their rivals much less the US Government is asking for plucking. I also presume you've heard of industrial espionage?

I also presume that you'll object, that encrypting something red flags a communication. I would think it would, so one gets industrial strength encryption. If you want to hide something so that the NSA can't crack it, use couriers.

While I'm at it, if you're really upset about all this, start sending heavily encrypted versions of "Mary had a Little Lamb" to tie up resources.

I'm one of those Obama supporters who is enthusiastic about his candidacy, but deeply disappointed in his FISA compromise (and don't get me wrong--the compromise wasn't the bill, which was a capitulation. The compromise was of Obama's principles). Evidently, he thought he had to do it to avoid handing his opponents a weapon to use against him in the area he's perceived as weakest--national security. It remains to be seen, of course, whether his compromise will help him or be a net political loss, since he's lost some supporters outright, and others have had their enthusiasm dialed way back.

But I haven't heard anyone comment on the fact that nothing in the bill requires a President Obama to continue the Terrorist Surveillance Program, and nothing prevents him from declassifying and revealing to the world the full extent of the TSP. And, of course, nothing would prevent a President Obama, with a larger majority in Congress, from sending up a better bill.

So let's see what he does in office. That will tell us who he really is.